Job offers: rules of thumb

As a recruiter, I have said the following to candidates but have still recruited them:

- "we'll get back to you"- "we have to look at other candidates first"

Recruitment processes take time and sometimes when you want to hire someone you still have to go through annoying processes to ensure you can (like seeing other applicants). Sometimes those who have the final hiring decision making ability aren't always around to make that decision.

You have to remember the vast majority of people who make job applications will be rejected. There is always more applicants than there are positions available, and this unfortunately means getting rejected can feel like the norm.

I am feeling especially terrible from just being rejected for a job offer, so I will try not to let my emotion get to my post and I will try to stick to the point.

From all these rejections and years of experience in applying to jobs I've established some pretty robust rules of truth:

- when you don't get an answer immediately, you're not hired
- when they say:
- "we'll get back to you"
- "we have to look at other candidates first"
- "we have enough information for now"
, you're not hired
- when they don't get back to you, you're not hired (d'oh)

In this last job application I was disqualified from, it was the waiting game card they played. They told me on the phone they would send me a feedback e-mail, but they never did. They led me on for two days, I have been waiting for that e-mail like a f*cking idiot and this is what I get on the phone: "My boss told me to cancel the appointment because she doesn't think you have enough years of experience".

And so, again: no immediate response means no job.

Over and out.

And so, again: no immediate response means no job.

Over and out.

by immediatley, what you do mean? the same day as the interview?

By immediately I mean right in the interview.

By immediately I mean right in the interview.

There is absolutely no excuse for not getting back to people with an answer - it's just rude. I interview lots of teachers and every single one gets detailed feedback - recruiters need to up their game.

I think people should name and shame these companies ...

I don't know what kind of magical tricks you guys pull, but I've never gotten a job without knowing someone on the inside. Now that I have a Bachelor's degree in Comp. Sci. and I'm on my own, no one wants to hire me.

It is all about skills and experience. Experience is commonly the most difficult part to apprehend when you don't have any in the first place. Don't worry about it, you are not alone in all of this; it takes a little albeit a lot longer for some graduates to get their first full time job. However do still look for other ways to get that practical experience because when you go to interviews, there is a 98% chance prospective employers will ask what you have been during since graduation.

Yes, that is correct. I have a total of 2 years working experience in various sectors, but not in IT - and that's the problem. They go like: "Sure, you've worked as a labor worker in many factories, but you don't have any IT experience". I think doing free internships might be a possible solution to get that experience. However, the 4 month internship I did during graduation is technically IT working experience because it was a real job at a real corporation with real workers, but then again, they don't count that as 'enough' because '4 months is not 2 years minimum'. I hate this kind of crap.

The current plan is to get whatever job I can to get some money (I'm broke) so that I can start doing things. I couldn't even get a job at a grocery store, which is grotesquely stupid. Someone with a degree not being able to get a low wage job? I don't understand.

Yes, that is correct. I have a total of 2 years working experience in various sectors, but not in IT - and that's the problem. They go like: "Sure, you've worked as a labor worker in many factories, but you don't have any IT experience". I think doing free internships might be a possible solution to get that experience. However, the 4 month internship I did during graduation is technically IT working experience because it was a real job at a real corporation with real workers, but then again, they don't count that as 'enough' because '4 months is not 2 years minimum'. I hate this kind of crap.

The current plan is to get whatever job I can to get some money (I'm broke) so that I can start doing things. I couldn't even get a job at a grocery store, which is grotesquely stupid. Someone with a degree not being able to get a low wage job? I don't understand.

I don't know what kind of magical tricks you guys pull, but I've never gotten a job without knowing someone on the inside. Now that I have a Bachelor's degree in Comp. Sci. and I'm on my own, no one wants to hire me.

Would you be able to go into IT jobs that are entry level? Then I assume they would be expecting much less than 2 years minimum experience. Or could you get another internship (preferably paid ofc), and sometimes doing it in a smaller company increases the chance they'll want to hire you full time after the internship.

Not sure if retail companies are still hiring christmas workers, but they're often a good entry point because they tend to be desperate to find people - although these days there are more and more people applying to them, so you need to showcase any skills you have relevant to a customer facing role, but sometimes there are e.g. stocking jobs that are less customer focused if that fits your skillset.