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    (Original post by Da Bachtopus)
    No, it's true. In fact, it's a very genreal principal: if you know a word in one language which has a meaning related to the one you're trying to learn, or even sounds like something related to it, then you can create links which make retention easier. eg. Russian for "throat" is горло (gorla), which is easier for English speakers to retain because of "gargle" than other words. With these German verbs, the 'literal' sense can still be a very useful memory aid; and it certainly helps that you know already both prefix and stem verb. (Vide)
    Well, but aren't those really two different principles? I agree that it's helpful to use familiar words in your own language to try and remember words in a foreign language, even if they're not actually etymologically related (incidentally, there's a lovely German word for this: "Eselsbrücke"). But I don't think I ever tried to remember the meaning of a specific phrasal verb involving, say, "put" by trying to relate it to its literal meaning or to other similar-sounding phrasal verbs. Not as far as I can remember, anyway...:dontknow:
    It still amazes me the speed with which Germans can shuffle around their syntax. It's like watching a video of someone solving a Rubix cube in 10 seconds
    Now that is impressive.:p:
    Look, I am easily impressed, ok! (And you are clearly not open to much flattery)
    Well... no. Not as far as my command of German (or English, for that matter) is concerned, anyway, because it isn't really anything I give much thought to. It isn't a skill as such, so being complimented on that sort of thing is a bit like being complimented on the way you breathe - it just seems weird and undeserved in a way. But thanks anyway.
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    [QUOTE=hobnob]Well, but aren't those really two different principles? I agree that it's helpful to use familiar words in your own language to try and remember words in a foreign language, even if they're not actually etymologically related (incidentally, there's a lovely German word for this: "Eselsbrücke"). But I don't think I ever tried to remember the meaning of a specific phrasal verb involving, say, "put" by trying to relate it to its literal meaning or to other similar-sounding phrasal verbs. Not as far as I can remember, anyway...:dontknow:[QUOTE]

    I knew that word already

    The point is that this isn't an Eselsbrücke: the memory-aid-effect is quasi-subconscious. You /can/ do it very self-consciously, but my point was that just the ressemblance there is enough to help you, without your necessarily noticing it. It's not always about directly trying to "relate", or at least not on a high conceptual level, a stem-verb to its prefix-modified form: what helps you is that you know what the two parts mean already, so you're not in the first place acquiring any new morphemes/lexemes, which speeds things up a great deal.

    I guess I'm not being clear If you can get a chance to skim through that book, do, it's very cool.

    Well... no. Not as far as my command of German (or English, for that matter) is concerned, anyway, because it isn't really anything I give much thought to. It isn't a skill as such, so being complimented on that sort of thing is a bit like being complimented on the way you breathe - it just seems weird and undeserved in a way. But thanks anyway.
    Also kann man jemandem ein Kompliment für ihren Schönheit geben? Zufall hat jemandem ihres Äußere gegeben
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    (Original post by Da Bachtopus)
    I guess I'm not being clear If you can get a chance to skim through that book, do, it's very cool.
    I'll try to. It doesn't seem to be in my college library, unfortunately, but I suppose the Taylorian will have it.
    Also kann man jemandem ein Kompliment für seine Schönheit machen? Er verdankt sein Äußeres ja dem Zufall.
    Na ja, man kann schon... aber das heißt ja schließlich noch lange nicht, daß es logisch ist, oder?

    "Jemand" ist übrigens immer männlich (es sei denn vielleicht in einem stark feministisch angehauchten Text).
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    Na ja, man kann schon... aber das heißt ja schließlich noch lange nicht, daß es logisch ist, oder?
    Aber wärest du nicht langsamer, jemanden, der dich schön gennant hat, als illogisch vorzuwerfen?
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    (Original post by Da Bachtopus)
    Aber wärest du nicht langsamer, jemanden, der dich schön gennant hat, als illogisch vorzuwerfen?
    Langsamer? Wieso langsamer?:confused:
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    (Original post by hobnob)
    Langsamer? Wieso langsamer?:confused:
    OK, in idiomatic English, rather than Scheißdeutsch, "Wouldn't you be slower to reproach somebody as illogical if they'd called you beautiful?"

    My German isn't working today It was really good on Friday, but I didn't post on this forum... I suppose 'cos I was talking to a real German person for a while.
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    (Original post by Da Bachtopus)
    OK, in idiomatic English, rather than Scheißdeutsch, "Wouldn't you be slower to reproach somebody as illogical if they'd called you beautiful?"
    Ah, OK. Nein, das ist wieder mal nicht so direkt übertragbar. Eventuell "Wenn dich jemand als schön bezeichnen würde, würdest du das aber nicht gleich als ein Anzeichen für seinen Mangel an Logik abtun, oder?"
    Und was die Frage selbst angeht: keine Ahnung. Mein blendendes Aussehen ist normalerweise nicht so unbedingt das, was Menschen an mir als erstes wahrnehmen. Das ist der Neid der Besitzlosen...
    My German isn't working today It was really good on Friday, but I didn't post on this forum... I suppose 'cos I was talking to a real German person for a while.
    Oh, so I'm a fake German, then, am I?:p:
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    (Original post by hobnob)
    Ah, OK. Nein, das ist wieder mal nicht so direkt übertragbar. Eventuell "Wenn dich jemand als schön bezeichnen würde, würdest du das aber nicht gleich als ein Anzeichen für seinen Mangel an Logik abtun, oder?"
    Und was die Frage selbst angeht: keine Ahnung. Mein blendendes Aussehen ist normalerweise nicht so unbedingt das, was Menschen an mir als erstes wahrnehmen. Das ist der Neid der Besitzlosen...
    Du bist also unter guter Gesellschaft. Aber es wäre noch ein Kompliment, das man nicht abweisen würde.

    Oh, so I'm a fake German, then, am I?:p:
    Well, we're not "talking" are we? You're not sat opposite me in a café firing off your Nebensätze like a Gatling gun, are you? I'm kind of plodding along here, and am not in the "conversational space" I'd end up occupying were you really present (and speaking German); which is exactly what 'turns it on', as it were (I'm trying for this not to sound rood, believe me).
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    (Original post by Da Bachtopus)
    Du bist also in guter Gesellschaft. Aber es wäre dennoch ein Kompliment, das man nicht zurückweisen würde.

    Well, we're not "talking" are we? You're not sat opposite me in a café firing off your Nebensätze like a Gatling gun, are you? I'm kind of plodding along here, and am not in the "conversational space" I'd end up occupying were you really present (and speaking German); which is exactly what 'turns it on', as it were (I'm trying for this not to sound rood, believe me).
    lol, fair enough. I'll leave you to be turned on by real German people and their Nebensätze, then.:p:
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    (Original post by hobnob)
    lol, fair enough. I'll leave you to be turned on by real German people and their Nebensätze, then.:p:
    Du hast keine Ahnung. Schade, daß sie einen Freund hat
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    Though I think English subordinate clauses are sexy as well. (I suppose people like Proust and Mann should be called "grammar porn" )
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    (Original post by Da Bachtopus)
    Du hast keine Ahnung. Schade, daß sie einen Freund hat
    ... der wahrscheinlich noch nicht mal ihre Nebensätze gebührend zu würdigen weiß.
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    (Original post by hobnob)
    ... der wahrscheinlich noch nicht mal ihre Nebensätze gebührend zu würdigen weiß.
    Jetzt kann ich nichts darüber sagen, aber ich bezweifle, daß er so vergnüglich und lebendich wie ich sei (Und davon stammt das Jammertal von Gestern)
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    Ach, meine Liebling! Deine Sätze! Sie sind so neben, so wunderschön neben!
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    (Original post by hobnob)
    Indeed. Abstellen, anstellen, aufstellen, beistellen, bestellen, durchstellen, einstellen, herausstellen, herüberstellen, hochstellen, nachstellen, sicherstellen, unterstellen... there are lots of composites.
    i've just learnt 14 new words. thank you :lovehug:
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    (Original post by Da Bachtopus)
    Ach, meine Liebling! Deine Sätze! Sie sind so neben, so wunderschön neben!
    :rofl:
    Also wenn sie darauf nicht anspringt, dann ist ihr nicht zu helfen...
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    its so cool to see german-speaking english people here all the english speaking people i have met in my entire life (not only brits) who claimed to speak german absolutely - well, sucked - at it. so its great to see how good many of you guys are!
    (wahrscheinlich viele besser als ich, obwohl ich eigentlich auch echter deutscher bin )
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    Okay guys prepare to see an awful piece of german with ~4 mistakes per sentence!
    I'm relying on Hobnob to rescue me again from the pits of disappointment.
    Here goes:

    Fernsehen ist toll, obwohl ich nicht viel sehen. Ich sieht fern gefähr eine halbe Stunde jeden Morgen und halbe Stunde nach Schule normalerweise mit meinem Bruder. Ich habe ein Gerät in meinem Zimmer also ich sieht lang eine Weile fern bevor ich einschlafen.
    Meine Lieblingssendung ist ,Never Mind the Buzzcocks' weil es rasend komisch sein. Abgesehen davon, sehe ich viele Filmen. Mein Lieblingsfilmen sind ,Shaun of the Dead' und ,Monty Python and the Holy Grail'. Meiner Meinung nach ,Big Brother' ist schrecklich. Zusehen exzentrischer Leute routinemäsig Aktivität ist nicht interessant.


    Please don't rip me too much - just let me know where I've gone wrong, how I've gone wrong and what to change. Thanks!
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    Fernsehen ist toll, obwohl ich nicht viel fernsehe. Ich sehe ungefähr eine halbe Stunde jeden Morgen fern und normalerweise eine halbe Stunde nach der Schule mit meinem Bruder. Ich habe einen Fernseher in meinem Zimmer, deswegen sehe ich meistens (I just added "meistens" because I think otherwise it sounds obligatory to watch TV before going asleep if you have an own telly in your room)eine Weile fern bevor ich einschlafe.
    Meine Lieblingssendung (I assume you just forgot to write down the word Lieblingssendung, otherwise it wouldn't makesense) ist "Never Mind the Buzzcocks" weil es sehr witzig ist. Abgesehen davon, sehe ich viele Filme, meine Lieblingsfilme sind "Shaun of the Dead" und "Monty Python and the Holy Grail". Meiner Meinung nach ist "Big Brother" schrecklich. Den Alltag exzentrischer Leute anzuschauen ist nicht sehr interessant(/unterhaltsam).
    the text is now correct but i haven't got the time to explain everything, if you have questions just ask
 
 
 
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