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    (Original post by Simmitts)
    hallo, wie gehts? ich will deutsch an der Uni studieren, wisst ihr wo ich am besten hingehen soll?
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    ich denke, dass es Personal Bevorzugung ist. Leeds ist sehr gut für Sprache.
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    ich denke, dass es Personal Bevorzugung ist. Leeds ist sehr gut für Sprache.
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    danke ^^
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    danke spiritedaway

    Where do you come from grizzlybaer? ich bin eigentlich schweizerin aber lebe schon immer in London

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    (Original post by wtid)
    Hallo.

    Heute bin ich ein bisschen besser, weil jetzt habe ich mein Computer zu Hause Es ist komisch, ich bin nicht soo gut auf Deutsch, aber denke ich oft in Deutsch. Wann auch immer (whenever?) ich sprechen muss, ich sag das erste zu mir auf Deutsch :p:

    Nur funf Tage und Friederikes schwester kommt, (here comes my attempt at doing a relative clause...I don't even know which word to take the gender of :confused: ) die gut ist, weil dann kann ich mehr Deutsch hoeren und sprechen

    So the bit in red. Weil, being a subordinate clause, send the verb to the end, however I also remember reading that the verb must be the 2nd object in the clause, so which rule takes president? ", weil jetzt habe ich mein Computer zu Hause" oder ", weil jetzt ich mein Computer zu Hause habe"?
    The "verb second position" rule only holds if there isn't a good reason to send the verb elsewhere, so here, "weil" sends the verb to the end. (Anyway, if the "verb second position" rule took precedence, there'd be no need for any other rules, would there? And that simply wouldn't do... ) After something like "weil", it's pretty common to take the subject of the clause immediately, i.e. "weil ich jetzt..." rather than "weil jetzt ich...". However, you will hear some Germans saying "weil ich habe jetzt...", which you should ignore, because it's wrong. :p:

    So:
    ...weil ich jetzt meinen Computer zu Hause habe.
    ...die gut ist, weil ich dann mehr Deutsch hoeren und sprechen kann.

    Relative clauses are difficult. The pronoun has to take the gender and number (singular / plural) from the noun it's referring back to (in this case, Frederikes Schwester, because she's the one you're talking about), but it has to have the right case to make sense within the subordinate clause. So, for example:

    "Frederikes Schwester, die in fünf Tagen kommt..." (nominative, because she's the one doing the 'kommen'-ing)
    "Frederikes Schwester, die ich mag..." (accusative, because you're the one doing the 'mögen'-ing of her)
    "Frederikes Schwester, der ich geholfen habe..." (dative, because 'helfen' takes dative)
    "Frederikes Schwester, deren Freund ich gestern getroffen habe..." (genitive, because you're talking about the 'Freund' belonging to her - note that 'deren' is feminine even though 'Freund' is masculine, because the gender is still determined by 'Frederikes Schwester'!)
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    (Original post by generalebriety)
    The "verb second position" rule only holds if there isn't a good reason to send the verb elsewhere, so here, "weil" sends the verb to the end. (Anyway, if the "verb second position" rule took precedence, there'd be no need for any other rules, would there? And that simply wouldn't do... ) After something like "weil", it's pretty common to take the subject of the clause immediately, i.e. "weil ich jetzt..." rather than "weil jetzt ich...". However, you will hear some Germans saying "weil ich habe jetzt...", which you should ignore, because it's wrong. :p:

    So:
    ...weil ich jetzt meinen Computer zu Hause habe.
    ...die gut ist, weil ich dann mehr Deutsch hoeren und sprechen kann.

    Relative clauses are difficult. The pronoun has to take the gender and number (singular / plural) from the noun it's referring back to (in this case, Frederikes Schwester, because she's the one you're talking about), but it has to have the right case to make sense within the subordinate clause. So, for example:

    "Frederikes Schwester, die in fünf Tagen kommt..." (nominative, because she's the one doing the 'kommen'-ing)
    "Frederikes Schwester, die ich mag..." (accusative, because you're the one doing the 'mögen'-ing of her)
    "Frederikes Schwester, der ich geholfen habe..." (dative, because 'helfen' takes dative)
    "Frederikes Schwester, deren Freund ich gestern getroffen habe..." (genitive, because you're talking about the 'Freund' belonging to her - note that 'deren' is feminine even though 'Freund' is masculine, because the gender is still determined by 'Frederikes Schwester'
    !)
    in conclusion, relative clauses are a ***** :yep:
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    (Original post by SpiritedAway)
    in conclusion, relative clauses are a ***** :yep:
    Yeah, they're probably one of the hardest aspects of German grammar. Don't get me started on "Frederikes Schwester, mit deren nettem Freund ich mich gestern getroffen habe", where your instinct is to make "deren" simultaneously genitive (her boyfriend), dative (after 'mit'), feminine (referring back to 'Schwester') and masculine (describing 'Freund'), and you have to figure out that adjective ending. Such an absolute ******* until you get your head round it - which I did about two weeks ago. I can only assume the equivalent with 'wegen' would go "wegen deren netten Freundes"... but frankly, if I ever have to say something like that, I'm shooting myself.

    (I'd quite like confirmation on all this nonsense from someone better than me... :p:)
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    has anyone got any ideas about what problems the 'aussiedler' comes across going into germany? i'm doing a rasism project on it and i can't find anything on the internet :no:
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    (Original post by generalebriety)
    Yeah, they're probably one of the hardest aspects of German grammar. Don't get me started on "Frederikes Schwester, mit deren nettem Freund ich mich gestern getroffen habe", where your instinct is to make "deren" simultaneously genitive (her boyfriend), dative (after 'mit'), feminine (referring back to 'Schwester') and masculine (describing 'Freund'), and you have to figure out that adjective ending. Such an absolute ******* until you get your head round it - which I did about two weeks ago. I can only assume the equivalent with 'wegen' would go "wegen deren netten Freundes"... but frankly, if I ever have to say something like that, I'm shooting myself.

    (I'd quite like confirmation on all this nonsense from someone better than me... :p:)
    Yep, that's exactly it.
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    Wunderbar. Thanks.
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    Wo darf ab dem Rauchverbot noch geraucht werden wo nicht mehr?


    please could you help me with this .. or i cant do my work lol !
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    Where are you still allowed to smoke and where not (after the smoking ban)
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    (Original post by Fleece)
    Where are you still allowed to smoke and where not (after the smoking ban)
    Hi Fleece,

    maybe Severus Snape rather wanted an answer than a translation ... but I dunno either hihi
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    (Original post by Fleece)
    Where are you still allowed to smoke and where not (after the smoking ban)
    cheers luvs!
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    or maybe not

    This happens to me quite often lately. I think around five corners instead of going at it straightly and end up totally confused. This has to stop!
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    (Original post by grizzlybär)
    or maybe not

    This happens to me quite often lately. I think around five corners instead of going at it straightly and end up totally confused. This has to stop!
    Vielleicht denkst du einfach zu deutsch.
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    Hiya you all!
    I was thinking of writing a "thank you note" for my GCSE German teacher for teaching me and is it okay if you could check it for me (bcos I think I made some bad mistakes!!)?
    thanks a lot in advance!

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    Ich moechte mich bei Ihnen dafuer bedanken, dass sie mich zwei wechselvolle Jahren des GCSEs unterrichtet haben! Es hat viel Spass gemacht und ich vermisse dich und deinen Unterricht schon so sehr!! Sie sind mir vertrauenerweckend und tatsächlich infolge dessen, bin ich von Ihnen motiviert worden, Deutsch weiterzulernen! =)
    Jetzt mache ich einige gute Fortschritte in Deutsch Abitur (aber ab und zu mache ich kleine Fehler noch! Sorry!). Das deutsche Abitur ist anspruchsvoll aber ich werde meine Beste machen.
    Frohe Weihnachten und alles Gute im neuern Jahr!


    Danke guys!
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    (Original post by generalebriety)
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    Thanks for the clarification

    Relative clauses don't seem that difficult to be honest, at least not in their basic form. As you say, it's just taking the gender of the noun it refers to, then using the correct case for said word. Ok, I can't really do cases yet, but once I can, they don't seem too bad.
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    (Original post by wtid)
    Thanks for the clarification

    Relative clauses don't seem that difficult to be honest, at least not in their basic form. As you say, it's just taking the gender of the noun it refers to, then using the correct case for said word. Ok, I can't really do cases yet, but once I can, they don't seem too bad.
    yes, but you haven't used them yet, so you haven't felt the full wrath of the relative clause.
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    yes, but you haven't used them yet, so you haven't felt the full wrath of the relative clause.
    Haha, maybe I'm speaking too soon then!
 
 
 
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