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Und welche waehlst du? Und warum?
Ich nehme an, dass du mich fragst? :p: Ich werde wahrscheinlich die japanische Staatsangehörigkeit wählen, weil ich mich vorwiegend japanisch dünke, Japanisch ist meine Muttersprache usw. Es ist aber Schade, weil ich wirklich beide behalten möchte :p:

Und wie geht es euch heute? Ich bin sooo müde. Vier Tage hintereinander bin ich rund 1 Uhr ins Bett gegangen...:sleep: Vielleicht mache ich jetzt ein Schläfchen...
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Hallo ihr alle. Wie geht's?
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Hallo ihr alle. Wie geht's?
Hi Susie.

Mir geht's gut. Ich bin gestern der Cambridge University German Society beigetreten. Und ich habe heute meine ersten Vorlesungen gehabt. Die erste war ganz gut, aber die zweite... bah, darueber moechte ich nie mehr nachdenken. :p: Der Vorleser war ein stereotypischer Mathematiker. Gaaanz langweilig.

Und wie geht es dir?
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Hi Susie.

Mir geht's gut. Ich bin gestern der Cambridge University German Society beigetreten. Und ich habe heute meine ersten Vorlesungen gehabt. Die erste war ganz gut, aber die zweite... bah, darueber moechte ich nie mehr nachdenken. :p: Der Vorleser war ein stereotypischer Mathematiker. Gaaanz langweilig.

Und wie geht es dir?
Ahh natürlich, es ist schon Donnerstag.. ich kann es nicht glauben! Hehe, der arme Billy. :p: Mir geht's auch gut, danke.
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Ahh natürlich, es ist schon Donnerstag.. ich kann es nicht glauben! Hehe, der arme Billy. :p: Mir geht's auch gut, danke.
Ich muss es aber auch gestehen: das (noch langweiligere) Thema der Vorlesung hat ihm nichts geholfen.
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I've been drinking so I doubt I'll be perfect but I think I should speak at least SOME German each day so here goes!

Ich bin müde!

Hmm I wanted tow rite more but I can't concentrate now, so gute nacht!
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Oh, poor effort. Nacht. :p:
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Das klingt auch ziemlich stressig zu sein! Musst du einen Termin einhalten? Was möchtest du studieren? (oder hast du das irgendwo schon gesagt? :p:)

Eigentlich bin ich auch amerikanischer Staatsbürger, weil ich in Baltimore geboren wurde :p: Aber nur bis Volljährigkeit; dann muss ich zwischen einer japanischen Staatsangehörigkeit und einer amerikanischen wählen...
Das freut mich zu hören, daß du in Baltimore geboren wurdest! Baltimore ist nicht so berühmt in der Welt, deshalb werde ich glücklich wenn jemand davon gekannt hätte.

Ich habe gar kein Idee, was ich studieren will. Hier müssen wir uns entscheiden ("declaring a major") im zweiten Jahr der Universität. Ich mache das lieber. Wenn ich jetzt mich entscheiden musste, würde ich verrückt. Ich werde alle Themen studieren, und dann werde ich etwas auswählen.
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Ich bin genervt! Ich möchte eine kommoden aber alles sind entweder zu teuer oder zu gross!

Ich habe zwei gefunden aber du kannst sie nur haben für £5 geschicht!

So, I'm confused now. I was asking my girlfriend (Friederike from now on, it's easier than typing "my girlfriend" every time :P and she said it's like that..."aber du kannst...". Well, you and her both said after a subordinate clause you have the verb/subject inversion rule. "But" starts a subordinate clause, but in this instance you don't use that rule! Can you explain why, are there any rules for it or is it just different every time?

(sometimes this language makes me want to cry :P)
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Ich nehme an, dass du mich fragst? :p: Ich werde wahrscheinlich die japanische Staatsangehörigkeit wählen, weil ich mich vorwiegend für japanisch halte, Japanisch ist meine Muttersprache usw.
Careful, 'dünken' is a *very* old-fashioned verb.
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Careful, 'dünken' is a *very* old-fashioned verb.
Danke. :p:

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Ich bin genervt! Ich möchte eine kommoden aber alles sind entweder zu teuer oder zu gross!

Ich habe zwei gefunden aber du kannst sie nur haben für £5 geschicht!

So, I'm confused now. I was asking my girlfriend (Friederike from now on, it's easier than typing "my girlfriend" every time :P and she said it's like that..."aber du kannst...". Well, you and her both said after a subordinate clause you have the verb/subject inversion rule. "But" starts a subordinate clause, but in this instance you don't use that rule! Can you explain why, are there any rules for it or is it just different every time?

(sometimes this language makes me want to cry :P)
aber, und, oder, sondern & denn doesn't change word order. It's just a rule afaik, although hobnob may be able to tell you whether there's any sort of weird grammatical rule about it (having x number of consonants or something silly like that :p: ).
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Danke kumpel!
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I have a question then, for example in my other post I said "ich habe zwei gefunden" or another example "ich geh Zeitung kaufen". Is it ALWAYS

subject / verb with ending / object / second verb?

Or are there exceptions, and if so, is there a rule to explain them? Because what about if...hmmm.. "It is with great pleasure that I open this hall". Would it be (in english - just the sentence structure is what I'm after, because I don't know all those words) "It is with great pleasure that I this hall open?" with the 2nd verb at the end again, or is it the same as English? I can't think of any better examples right now but I will probably come across one sooner or later

Danke!
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I have a question then, for example in my other post I said "ich habe zwei gefunden" or another example "ich geh Zeitung kaufen". Is it ALWAYS

subject / verb with ending / object / second verb?

Or are there exceptions, and if so, is there a rule to explain them? Because what about if...hmmm.. "It is with great pleasure that I open this hall". Would it be (in english - just the sentence structure is what I'm after, because I don't know all those words) "It is with great pleasure that I this hall open?" with the 2nd verb at the end again, or is it the same as English? I can't think of any better examples right now but I will probably come across one sooner or later

Danke!
I'm probably not the best person to explain this, but I'll try! You are basically correct:

In simple sentences, word order is usually subject / verb (conjugated) / object, e.g. "Ich gehe ins Kino" (I go to the cinema).

If you have an auxiliary verb (haben or sein, when using the pluperfect or perfect past) - word order is subject / auxiliary verb (conjugated) / middle / past participle. e.g. "Ich habe den Apfel gekauft" (I have bought the apple).

If you have a modal verb, or werden (when using the future tense), word order is subject / modal verb or werden (conjugated) / middle / verb (infinitive). e.g. "Sie kann in die Stadtmitte gehen" (she can go into the town centre) or "Ich werde ein Auto kaufen" (I will buy a car).

Now, if you just have two verbs that are not modal, werden or an auxiliary, you usually have subject / first verb (conjugated) / middle / zu + second verb (infinitive). e.g. if you want to say "I hope to go into town", to hope is your first verb and to go is your second. Thus you conjugate 'to hope', then send 'to go' to the end as an infinitive with a zu before it, making "Ich hoffe, in die Stadtmitte zu gehen". This also works with the verbs haben and sein if they are not auxiliary verbs, e.g. "Ich bin froh dir zu helfen" (I am happy to help you).

"It is with great pleasure that I open this hall". Would it be (in english - just the sentence structure is what I'm after, because I don't know all those words) "It is with great pleasure that I this hall open?" with the 2nd verb at the end again, or is it the same as English? I can't think of any better examples right now but I will probably come across one sooner or later
Your word order is correct, but not because the 2nd verb always go to the end - you have introduced the connective "dass" here (with 'that') so you'd send the verb of the subordinate cluase ('open') to the end.



I hope that made some sense!
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Cheers mate, sounds useful I do, however, think I should first learn what auxiliary, pluperfect, perfect past and modal mean...

Can you tell I haven't done anything with languages in like 7 years lol? (and even then I wasn't very good, only got C at GCSE French!) I feel I'm really bad at languages so I think this is definitely going to be an uphill struggle!
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Cheers mate, sounds useful I do, however, think I should first learn what auxiliary, pluperfect, perfect past and modal mean...

Can you tell I haven't done anything with languages in like 7 years lol? (and even then I wasn't very good, only got C at GCSE French!) I feel I'm really bad at languages so I think this is definitely going to be an uphill struggle!
Well, everyone always has to start somewhere Feel free to ask here if you need any help; this is the German learner's soc after all!

I recommend you invest in a grammar book though - make sure you can get to grips with basic stuff like adjectival endings, cases etc and you'd feel much more confident using the language.
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To generalise from Excalibur's pretty comprehensive post. (Note that I don't really expect you to learn all of this, this is a very compact and almost example-free 'crib sheet'. :p: But it gives you an idea of what you should be learning in a grammar book or something.)

The finite (conjugated) verb in the main clause always* comes as the second 'idea'. So: morgen (first idea) gehe (second idea) ich ins Kino; in Deutschland (first idea) isst (second idea) man viel Brot. If the sentence demands a second verb form, it won't be finite. It'll be the infinitive or the past participle or something like that (and there may be more than one). These always** line up at the end of the clause (in 'backwards' order, if there's more than one): in Deutschland kann man immer sehr viel Brot essen (infinitive); morgen werde ich vielleicht noch einmal ins Kino gehen; gestern bin ich spazieren (infinitive) gegangen (past participle). In a subordinate clause, the verb goes to the end***; if the subordinate clause comes before the main clause, then the subordinate clause counts as the first 'idea' in the main clause, and so straight after it comes the main verb. (I apologise in advance; that won't make sense without millions of examples, and I'm too lazy right now.)


*Well, there are exceptions; 'und', 'aber', and so on don't really count as a whole idea in themselves so they don't change anything (because all they're really doing is linking two fully formed sentences which work perfectly well on their own and aren't related). Also, there are a couple of cases with 'entweder' where you would put the verb third, and sometimes (in questions and if-clauses) you put the verb first.

**Okay, not always, but close enough; there's an obscure rule about finite verbs coming slightly early in subordinate clauses involving an infinitive and a past participle that looks like an infinitive.

***Except in 'als ob' clauses where the 'ob' is missed out, when the verb comes straight after the 'als'.
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Ich habe "German In Three Weeks" gekauft und jetzt hoffe ich ganz viel lernen!

Ich glaube ich habe etwas fehler gemacht. Ich kann nur kleine saetze sagen und muss ich (right way round? I don't really get this "1st idea/2nd idea thing :confused:) sehr schwer nachdunken!
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Ich habe "German In Three Weeks" gekauft und jetzt hoffe ich ganz viel lernen!

Ich glaube ich habe etwas fehler gemacht. Ich kann nur kleine saetze sagen und muss ich (right way round? I don't really get this "1st idea/2nd idea thing :confused:) sehr schwer nachdunken!
Do you understand the concept of a clause? If so, do you understand main / subordinate clauses? Then I can explain to you...
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Hmmm I'm not sure. As she explained it to me, a subordinate clause is a part of the sentence which cannot stand alone - it needs the first part in order to make sense. The main clause would obviously be the part which can stand alone.

As for the definition of a clause in it's entirety, I don't know, but it's some sort of sentence I would assume. Is that all right?
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