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    (Original post by Dreama)
    Law should be about who you are, your values, your passion and your need for justice; that is after all the essence of Law.
    Yeah but if you're going to Oxford for example it's money money money not justice.
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    (Original post by Dreama)
    What will be vastly entertaining is when everyone who has 3A's gets 24/24...
    You say 'when' rather than 'if' and yet you have no evidence that this scenario will be the case. Talk about fallacious premises. :rolleyes: I somehow think 24/24 is a score that won't be applying to you.
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    (Original post by muncrun)
    I somehow think 24/24 is a score that won't be applying to you.
    Why are you expressing yourself in such a manner?
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    Hi Peeps, I just bought the Cataga LNAT prep book, or rather my father bought it!

    "Who paid more for their 'Pass The LNAT' book."

    Dreama, you can't be serious! anyone can afford a book that costs the same as the actual test costs...what is a bigger problem of equality is private education, spending £15,000 on tuition must make a big difference to A level results. I'm from a state comprehensive and I think if anything this LNAT test will level the playing field a bit.

    I've skimmed through the book, it looks good, I'll let you all know what I think once I've read it.

    BTW somehow I don't think the standard distribution of scores on the actual test is going to resemble what people have posted...I guess the average will be 12, but then again all ULN members are supposed to be v. smrt right?
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    (Original post by hellokitty2)
    BTW somehow I don't think the standard distribution of scores on the actual test is going to resemble what people have posted...I guess the average will be 12, but then again all ULN members are supposed to be v. smrt right?
    Some people voted for an impossible score though.
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    (Original post by hellokitty2)
    Hi Peeps, I just bought the Cataga LNAT prep book, or rather my father bought it!

    "Who paid more for their 'Pass The LNAT' book."

    Dreama, you can't be serious! anyone can afford a book that costs the same as the actual test costs...what is a bigger problem of equality is private education, spending £15,000 on tuition must make a big difference to A level results. I'm from a state comprehensive and I think if anything this LNAT test will level the playing field a bit.

    I've skimmed through the book, it looks good, I'll let you all know what I think once I've read it.

    BTW somehow I don't think the standard distribution of scores on the actual test is going to resemble what people have posted...I guess the average will be 12, but then again all ULN members are supposed to be v. smrt right?
    Yeah... the man at Cambridge in charge of the test said they expect an average score of 12. Considering that the first section of the old Oxford law exam (out of 15) was a forerunner for LNAT and no-one got more than 13 last year (out of over 1000 apps) I doubt that 24 will be very common, at least for the first year.

    Regarding A Levels and school standard, on the Bristol law website there is a very useful document detailing how they evaluate a person's achievement. I thought I'd pass it on to you brilliant UKL people, who are nursing me through results panic. The key thing to remember is how many points you will already have, and how the LNAT is mainly being used to evaluate candidates just below the normal 'definite' offer level.

    1. The best three A Levels are scored (on the basis of predictions): 20 per grade, so an A=100. This gives a score out of 300.

    2. The best eight GCSEs are given a score out of 100. GCSEs are scored on a 32-point scale, so 8A*= 32=100. 7A*1A= 31= 97 and so on.

    3. You are then awarded points for your scholastic background. 5 points is you go to school which in either of the past two years has an average A Level score of 19-22, 10 points it is has a score of 15-18, and 15 points if it has a score less than 14 points.

    Note that the above criteria in no way specifies state or private, and that many private school candidates do fall into these criteria!

    4. If you live in the Bristol area you are given an extra 10 points.

    5.Your personal statement and reference are then scored out of 50 (combined).
    Criteria for assessing the Personal Statement and Reference may include, for example:

    •Demonstrated interest in, suitability for, and commitment to the subject
    •Evidence of clear thinking and understanding, problem solving and analytical skills
    •Standard of written English
    •Appropriateness of the Bristol course in relation to the candidate’s declared interests and aspirations
    •Non-academic achievement and/or experience, or extra-curricular interests (which could include such things as sport, arts, drama, music, paid or voluntary work), which indicate the likely contribution a candidate will make to the life of the University
    •Positions of responsibility held
    •Other relevant skills .

    If there is insufficient material in either the reference or personal statement they contact parties involved.

    6. Exceptional Circumstances (max. 30)

    "This category is only applicable in relation to a small minority of applicants. The exceptional circumstances may range widely, but they must impact on the applicant’s ability to study or perform to capacity in examinations.

    Examples include disability or illness, caring duties within the family, a disruptive home life and significant problems with their teaching and learning environment (e.g. teacher’s illness). Consideration of such factors is undertaken on an individual basis. In particular, in the case of disability, the score is based upon the individual circumstances of the particular candidate. Further information is sought where this is deemed appropriate."

    So where does LNAT fit in?

    Well I phoned up Bristol and they said they just don't know, until they have the results! The admissions officer said, that they doubt it will be more than 100 marks. The difference, he said, is that the LNAT will be one of the few criteria which produce an ample spread of marks. Nevertheless, he said that the someone with AAA prediction, declared AS results, at least 6A* at GCSE, wide range of extracurricular activities would probably recieve an offer irrespective of LNAT performance. He said- and this can't really be stressed too much: DON'T FOCUS ON YOUR APPLICATION TO OXBRIDGE TO THE DISADVANTAGE OF YOUR APPLICATION TO OTHER UNIVERSITIES. By which I asked him, how could you do this? And he started telling me about people who:

    Talk about the collegiate system in the PS. (Automatic rejection)
    Write large paragraphs about taster course events at Oxford or Cambridge, where keeping it anonymous would show a consideration of how your ps looks to other universities.
    Talk about their special interests in law, ignorant of Bristol not specialising in them.

    Hopefully from this post people- relax and destress.

    Oh, and on a somewhat contradictory note, I received an email from Oxford saying 'the Oxford colleges will work together with Law admissions and the LNAT'. This means it could well be used as a desummoning tool!
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    I'm liking the idea of a test where the average score is 50%. That makes sense.
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    (Original post by Dreama)
    What will be vastly entertaining is when everyone who has 3A's gets 24/24...
    Apart from that being pretty unlikely, isn't that what the essay question is for?
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    (Original post by Dreama)
    What about if someone predicted 3 E grades gains 24/24 and the candidate with 3 A's gets only 6?

    I wonder which they favour more? The LNAT or A levels?

    Anyone else ensuring they apply to a couple of Unis that are steering clear of this idea? Is there a definitive list of participating Unis yet?

    Dreama xxxx
    Which would they favour more ? They'd knock the pair of them back I should imagine, unless of course the candidate with 3A's is backed up by a superb Personal Statement and Reference and has great GCSE/AS scores, and they really want him/her anyway.
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    I promised to tell you all what I though......I have read it thoroughly now, although it is in my interests not to get other people to buy it - I don't want more people scoring better than me!! I think the advice in the book is very good.

    The best section in the book - I think- discusses the methods test writers use to disguise incorrect question answers. This is the sort of advice that is not common sense, the people who wrote this section have obviously been test writers themselves. I found their advice on extreme wording very useful and I think that alone should increase my score by 4 points. They have a neat list of words which you should look out for which serve as red flags for incorrect answers. When I looked at the official practise test again after reading this, some of the wrong answers seemed so apparent.

    The practice tests were excellent...almost identical to the official test in terms of difficulty.

    Apparently they are raising their prices! I'm actually glad because even less people will buy it now and there will be less competition for me in the exam!

    The essay section was somthing I liked as well, it was very hard to find any good advice for free on the internet about the essay section because it was alll american based and not suitable for British uni admissions. Although one minor thing is that I would have liked them to give me an essay template to use! but I guess that's being lazy
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    Surely the candidates who do not find the LNAT useful are probably the better candidates?
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    I did this today, over a bowl of cereal, and got 12!!!

    Bring on the weekend crash course...

    God, if you're listening, please let me into the Houghton St. mecca. Pretty please...
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    (Original post by mobb_theprequel)
    I did this today, over a bowl of cereal, and got 12!!!
    Is that it?
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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    Is that it?
    Yup, 'fraid so.

    I'm notoriously **** at dry runs though; mock 11+, mock GCSEs, mock AS-levels - all were terrible! But I guess that's why we have practice tests.

    Out of interest, what are you doing to prepare for the LNAT? I'm pretty sure that preparation (additional to 'reading a quality newspaper every day') can be done - despite what Pearson may say on the website.
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    (Original post by mobb_theprequel)
    Out of interest, what are you doing to prepare for the LNAT? I'm pretty sure that preparation (additional to 'reading a quality newspaper every day') can be done - despite what Pearson may say on the website.
    I already read The Times nearly every day but I'm also reading some critical thinking books and have read some introductory material on jurisprudence.
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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    I already read The Times nearly every day but I'm also reading some critical thinking books and have read some introductory material on jurisprudence.
    I'm planning on getting a critical thinking textbook later this week, I think it could be quite useful.

    What did you get on the practice LNAT?
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    (Original post by mobb_theprequel)
    What did you get on the practice LNAT?
    I haven't yet
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    Update: I took it this morning and achieved a score of a mere 17. Would this be a good enough score for decent universities on the basis of LNAT alone?
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    I got 16 on my first try in another one (did the questions I got wrong again... and got 6 more right, obviously someone else marked my paper!). Which wasn't too bad...


    Have to say that the sample one on this site looks much easier than the one I did though A lot depends on how interested you are in the theme of the passages. I sailed through one about astronomy but there was one on umm... some kind of philosophy which I totally did not understand.
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    where can i access more LNAT sample tests apart from the main one on the site? (Reply to above), where did you get the astronomy one from? :confused:
 
 
 
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