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    1. Guns. "Guns don't kill, people do" - THEN WHY WOULD U GIVE PEOPLE GUNS!!!! PEOPLE CANT BE TRUSTED.
    2. Trump and Clinton. (Both are equally evil, dont tell me hillary is less so because trust me she isnt)
    3. the american dream RUBBISH. there is no such thing as equality in america, so sorry black people/women/minorities, no matter how hard you work, its unlikely youre gonna be successful
    4. healthcare. do i need to elaborate?
    5. no culture. in order for america to declare its independence it had to sever its ties with europe i.e. it had to become trashy/materialistic
    6. their language. its just incorrect english.
    7. the birthplace of feminazis and extreme political correctness. nobody wants that.
    8. vietnam, iraq, and all the other millions of deaths of innocent civilians they caused

    btw im not saying i dislike all americans, for example many of my favourite authors are american so i guess a good aspect of their almost non-existent culture is their diverse and influential literature.
    but does anyone agree or disagree/ can you provide me with points to like/dislike america
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    (Original post by dnr_23)
    1. Guns. "Guns don't kill, people do" - THEN WHY WOULD U GIVE PEOPLE GUNS!!!! PEOPLE CANT BE TRUSTED.
    2. Trump and Clinton. (Both are equally evil, dont tell me hillary is less so because trust me she isnt)
    3. the american dream RUBBISH. there is no such thing as equality in america, so sorry black people/women/minorities, no matter how hard you work, its unlikely youre gonna be successful
    4. healthcare. do i need to elaborate?
    5. no culture. in order for america to declare its independence it had to sever its ties with europe i.e. it had to become trashy/materialistic
    6. their language. its just incorrect english.
    7. the birthplace of feminazis and extreme political correctness. nobody wants that.
    8. vietnam, iraq, and all the other millions of deaths of innocent civilians they caused

    btw im not saying i dislike all americans, for example many of my favourite authors are american so i guess a good aspect of their almost non-existent culture is their diverse and influential literature.
    but does anyone agree or disagree/ can you provide me with points to like/dislike america
    Devil's advocate. America clearly has culture. It's invented so many iconic books, films, and games.

    Iraq? We were involved too. Haven't you read the Chilcot Inquiry?
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    I dislike America for reasons 1, 3, 4, and 8. The other ones I disagree with, at least partially.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    Devil's advocate. America clearly has culture. It's invented so many iconic books, films, and games.

    Iraq? We were involved too. Haven't you read the Chilcot Inquiry?
    ok yeah your points on culture are true

    and just cuz britain messed up too i dont see how that makes america less bad lol
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    Agree with the first four but the last one is hypocritical, nonetheless though I agree. The rest are just highly subjective.
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    Your "arguments" sound like something a 13 year old would come up with. :yawn:
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    I like it, seems like a nice country.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    Devil's advocate. America clearly has culture. It's invented so many iconic books, films, and games.

    Iraq? We were involved too. Haven't you read the Chilcot Inquiry?
    Imagine how much worse the crimes would be if we didn't intervene/walk in with them.
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    Well there are a lot of things I dislike about the US, but I also recognise that they are still our greatest allies. There aren't many countries we have more in common with than them.
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    I see what you are getting at, although you articulated it like a 12 year old.
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    Yeah I find it hilarious how people have these dreams of moving over to the states and college parties and living there... do you know wtf you're getting yourself into son??
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    (Original post by dnr_23)
    1. Guns. "Guns don't kill, people do" - THEN WHY WOULD U GIVE PEOPLE GUNS!!!! PEOPLE CANT BE TRUSTED.
    2. Trump and Clinton. (Both are equally evil, dont tell me hillary is less so because trust me she isnt)
    3. the american dream RUBBISH. there is no such thing as equality in america, so sorry black people/women/minorities, no matter how hard you work, its unlikely youre gonna be successful
    4. healthcare. do i need to elaborate?
    5. no culture. in order for america to declare its independence it had to sever its ties with europe i.e. it had to become trashy/materialistic
    6. their language. its just incorrect english.
    7. the birthplace of feminazis and extreme political correctness. nobody wants that.
    8. vietnam, iraq, and all the other millions of deaths of innocent civilians they caused

    btw im not saying i dislike all americans, for example many of my favourite authors are american so i guess a good aspect of their almost non-existent culture is their diverse and influential literature.
    but does anyone agree or disagree/ can you provide me with points to like/dislike america
    1. The constitutional right to bear arms in the US was included in the Second Amendment of the US constitution. When right to bear arms was first implemented into US law, America had just turned it's back on one of the deadliest and most significant wars the world has ever seen; the American War of Independence. After having split from Britain's grasp, and after drones of American loyalists (who then sided with the King) had rejected the Declaration of Independence, it's not surprising that the right to bear arms was included in 1787. The risk of a Loyalist-Patriot civil war and the possibility of returning to British ownership was unfathomable.

    However, what was the appropriate course of action to take 200 years ago, should not be maintained under an incomparable set of circumstances, now, in 2016. America is no longer a militia state. There's no longer the threat of civil war or royalist uprising. And American citizens no longer require the right to defend themselves with lethal weaponry as they once did in the late 18th Century.

    2. If you think that Trump and Clinton are the same, then you demonstrate a truly concerning lack of foresight. While Clinton isn't a saint, at least she is a decent human being and not a piece of s*** like Trump, and my statement is backed by just looking at the attitude he exhibits towards anyone who doesn't fit into the mold of a male WASP.

    3. Can't disagree with you on that. But I also wanted to add that millennials and anyone under the age of 35 are equally f*cked all around the world and not only in the United States. We just don't have the same opportunities as our fore-bearers and will be the first generation to earn less than those who preceded us (namely, our parents and grandparents). It is time to assume that we don't earn a wage to live, but one to survive.

    4. Agreed. The fact that Obamacare represents such a high step in the American healthcare system is depressing. But alas, that's what happens when capitalism is so ingrained within a society that regards any public enterprise as being an exhibition of socialism threatening the American way of life. Moreover, it is the materialization of everything that's wrong with having a decentralized government and effectively 50 self-governing bodies.

    5. No culture? You have 50 states with 50 distinct cultural traits, on top of the cultural mix which arose from the US's melting pot status in the late 19th and early 20th century.

    6. I assume that you must regard chav-like types to have the same dominion of English exhibited by the likes of Chaucer, Dickens, Austen, Woolf, Carroll, the Bronte sisters or even Conan-Doyle

    7. You are using "Feminazis", a term coined by a far-right American writer as a form of mockery towards feminists. Which is pretty ironic, as you seem to have a distaste towards everything that is American and even their use of English, yet you are ready to use terminology coined within the US. With this been said, allow me to educate you on what it means to be a "feminist". I don't know if you are aware of it (probably not, as you are so eager to adopt terminology used by the far-right, usually composed by people that don't characterize themselves as being the brightest bulbs) but the term "feminism" in itself seeks the equality between men and women. Moreover, I can assure you that the UK is far more politically correct than the US. Also the US, like the UK, systematically persecuted and oppressed those who they regarded as unequal or barbarians that ad to be taught the ways of the white men. Yet, you claim to be above it.

    8. Last time I checked, the UK was involved in the Irak war and the reasons behind said involvement are extremely shady, as shown in the Chilcot Inquiry. Also, see my last post: you claim to have the moral superiority to criticize what you perceive as a detestable country and the set of values they represent, yet you are from a country that not only has systematically oppressed but has attempted to wipe from history the cultural inheritance of a number of peoples because said culture was not white or european in its origin. It is hypocrisy at its finest.
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    (Original post by redpimpernel)
    1. The constitutional right to bear arms in the US was included in the Second Amendment of the US constitution. When right to bear arms was first implemented into US law, America had just turned it's back on one of the deadliest and most significant wars the world has ever seen; the American War of Independence. After having split from Britain's grasp, and after drones of American loyalists (who then sided with the King) had rejected the Declaration of Independence, it's not surprising that the right to bear arms was included in 1787. The risk of a Loyalist-Patriot civil war and the possibility of returning to British ownership was unfathomable.

    However, what was the appropriate course of action to take 200 years ago, should not be maintained under an incomparable set of circumstances, now, in 2016. America is no longer a militia state. There's no longer the threat of civil war or royalist uprising. And American citizens no longer require the right to defend themselves with lethal weaponry as they once did in the late 18th Century.

    2. If you think that Trump and Clinton are the same, then you demonstrate a truly concerning lack of foresight. While Clinton isn't a saint, at least she is a decent human being and not a piece of s*** like Trump, and my statement is backed by just looking at the attitude he exhibits towards anyone who doesn't fit into the mold of a male WASP.

    3. Can't disagree with you on that. But I also wanted to add that millennials and anyone under the age of 35 are equally f*cked all around the world and not only in the United States. We just don't have the same opportunities as our fore-bearers and will be the first generation to earn less than those who preceded us (namely, our parents and grandparents). It is time to assume that we don't earn a wage to live, but one to survive.

    4. Agreed. The fact that Obamacare represents such a high step in the American healthcare system is depressing. But alas, that's what happens when capitalism is so ingrained within a society that regards any public enterprise as being an exhibition of socialism threatening the American way of life. Moreover, it is the materialization of everything that's wrong with having a decentralized government and effectively 50 self-governing bodies.

    5. No culture? You have 50 states with 50 distinct cultural traits, on top of the cultural mix which arose from the US's melting pot status in the late 19th and early 20th century.

    6. I assume that you must regard chav-like types to have the same dominion of English exhibited by the likes of Chaucer, Dickens, Austen, Woolf, Carroll, the Bronte sisters or even Conan-Doyle

    7. You are using "Feminazis", a term coined by a far-right American writer as a form of mockery towards feminists. I don't know if you are aware of it, but the term "feminism" in itself seeks the equality between men and women. Moreover, I don't know if you are aware of it, but I can assure you that the UK is far more politically correct than the US. Also the US, like the UK, systematically persecuted and oppressed those who they regarded as unequal or barbarians that ad to be taught the ways of the white men. Yet, you claim to be above it.

    8. Last time I checked, the UK was involved in the UK war and the reasons behind say involvement are extremely shady, as shown in the Chilcot Inquiry. Also, see my last post: you claim to have the moral superiority to criticize what you perceive as a detestable country and the set of values they represent, yet you are from a country that not only has systematically oppressed but has attempted to wipe from history the cultural inheritance of a number of peoples because said culture was not white or european in its origin. It is hypocrisy at its finest.
    I agree with almost everything you've said, except I don't think you can blame a said person for the things his country did hundreds of years ago. By feminazis, he means your typical SJW/Offended by everything idiot, not genuine feminists.
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    Imagine how much worse the crimes would be if we didn't intervene/walk in with them.
    lol what? What a ridiculous thing to say. We contributed to the deaths of millions. Please don't try defend the Iraq war.
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    I'm British, but live in California. The US is big. It is tremendously varied in just about every way imaginable, so generalisation don't work.
    (Original post by dnr_23)
    2. Trump and Clinton. (Both are equally evil, dont tell me hillary is less so because trust me she isnt)
    I'd rather not think about the election here. Just one thought - Boris Johnson.
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    5. no culture. in order for america to declare its independence it had to sever its ties with europe i.e. it had to become trashy/materialistic
    Some of the best funded museums in the world are in the US. They may not have been established for as long, but they are impressive.
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    6. their language. its just incorrect english.
    This is just too funny. Many Americans know where to put capital letters and apostrophes . Some Americanisms are actually older forms of English, which then evolved differently in the UK.
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    (Original post by cbreef)
    I agree with almost everything you've said, except I don't think you can blame a said person for the things his country did hundreds of years ago. By feminazis, he means your typical SJW/Offended by everything idiot, not genuine feminists.
    Yet, he is somehow entitled to generalize and blame Americans for everything that is wrong with the world.

    Moreover, the term "feminazi" has been thrown freely around the Internet for ages and is used to target every single feminist by regarding them in the same terms as nazis. Of course there is people who always go too far and hide behind the term "feminism" to be actively misandrist but at its core, feminism is just a means of seeking ways to create a more egalitarian society and one where sex isn't a determining factor for your capabilities.
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    (Original post by dnr_23)
    1. Guns. "Guns don't kill, people do" - THEN WHY WOULD U GIVE PEOPLE GUNS!!!! PEOPLE CANT BE TRUSTED.
    2. Trump and Clinton. (Both are equally evil, dont tell me hillary is less so because trust me she isnt)
    3. the american dream RUBBISH. there is no such thing as equality in america, so sorry black people/women/minorities, no matter how hard you work, its unlikely youre gonna be successful
    4. healthcare. do i need to elaborate?
    5. no culture. in order for america to declare its independence it had to sever its ties with europe i.e. it had to become trashy/materialistic
    6. their language. its just incorrect english.
    7. the birthplace of feminazis and extreme political correctness. nobody wants that.
    8. vietnam, iraq, and all the other millions of deaths of innocent civilians they caused

    btw im not saying i dislike all americans, for example many of my favourite authors are american so i guess a good aspect of their almost non-existent culture is their diverse and influential literature.
    but does anyone agree or disagree/ can you provide me with points to like/dislike america
    6. Didn't help your argument here.
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    (Original post by redpimpernel)
    Yet, he is somehow entitled to generalize and blame Americans for everything that is wrong with the world.

    Moreover, the term "feminazi" has been thrown freely around the Internet for ages and is used to target every single feminist by regarding them in the same terms as nazis. Of course there is people who always go too far and hide behind the term "feminism" to be actively misandrist but at its core, feminism is just a means of seeking ways to create a more egalitarian society and one where sex isn't a determining factor for your capabilities.
    He CAN justify criticising past American governments and their policy that has led to the rise of daesh for example, as long as he accepts his own country is implicated in that too.

    I don't accept that. I think a lot of people use the term feminazi specifically when dealing with Anita Sarkeesian types, not all feminists. True feminism is a righteous aspiration which, has been largely achieved in the west. Sooo... a vocal minority of these women who claim to be feminists, have started simply fabricating claims of perceived inequality - like the "gender pay gap" for example - which virtually doesn't even exist anymore thanks to the equal pay act. It's ridiculous. These are the same people who expect man to buy them drinks and pay for dates! Now THAT'S true hypocrisy.
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    (Original post by cbreef)
    lol what? What a ridiculous thing to say. We contributed to the deaths of millions. Please don't try defend the Iraq war.
    Iraq as a whole was a mistake, never said it wasn't. I'm just saying the human rights violations and legality of the war would be even worse had we not assisted them, also I'm quite sick of people In this country blaming our role in Iraq for the later failures considering we had little part in the transitional government and were against dissolving the Iraq army and if you read Chilcot you'd see bush refused our advice multiple times, had he taken it... well, the situation then and today would've been exteremly different. Removing Saddam was a good thing, partnering with America was an awful idea.
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    Iraq as a whole was a mistake, never said it wasn't. I'm just saying the human rights violations and legality of the war would be even worse had we not assisted them, also I'm quite sick of people In this country blaming our role in Iraq for the later failures considering we had little part in the transitional government and were against dissolving the Iraq army and if you read Chilcot you'd see bush refused our advice multiple times, had he taken it... well, the situation then and today would've been exteremly different. Removing Saddam was a good thing, partnering with America was an awful idea.
    Well... as it never happened, you can't say for certain.
 
 
 
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