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    Hi,
    This may be a daft question but I'll ask anyway...

    My daughter has been offered the Unconditional Offer Scheme for Lancaster Law (she'd have to make it her firm choice though) plus a financial scholarship if she does so.

    However, she also has a conditional offer (AAA) from Nottingham, which is a better Uni for Law.

    She has an "outstanding academic profile" (Lancaster's words not mine 😉) and is predicted all A*s at A Level.

    If she contacted Nottingham and said something like "Lancaster have offered me this.........would you be prepared to offer me an unconditional offer if I make you my firm choice" would they ever negotiate like this? Or is the offer the offer and that's that?

    Thanks 😀
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    (Original post by MJ6987)
    Hi,
    This may be a daft question but I'll ask anyway...

    My daughter has been offered the Unconditional Offer Scheme for Lancaster Law (she'd have to make it her firm choice though) plus a financial scholarship if she does so.

    However, she also has a conditional offer (AAA) from Nottingham, which is a better Uni for Law.

    She has an "outstanding academic profile" (Lancaster's words not mine 😉) and is predicted all A*s at A Level.

    If she contacted Nottingham and said something like "Lancaster have offered me this.........would you be prepared to offer me an unconditional offer if I make you my firm choice" would they ever negotiate like this? Or is the offer the offer and that's that?

    Thanks 😀
    An unconditional offer is generally a marketing tool when used it that way so not she can't negotiate with the other university for one.
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    (Original post by claireestelle)
    An unconditional offer is generally a marketing tool when used it that way so not she can't negotiate with the other university for one.
    Thanks. I know that Nottingham do sometimes offer unconditionals though...
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    (Original post by MJ6987)
    Hi,
    This may be a daft question but I'll ask anyway...

    My daughter has been offered the Unconditional Offer Scheme for Lancaster Law (she'd have to make it her firm choice though) plus a financial scholarship if she does so.

    However, she also has a conditional offer (AAA) from Nottingham, which is a better Uni for Law.

    She has an "outstanding academic profile" (Lancaster's words not mine 😉) and is predicted all A*s at A Level.

    If she contacted Nottingham and said something like "Lancaster have offered me this.........would you be prepared to offer me an unconditional offer if I make you my firm choice" would they ever negotiate like this? Or is the offer the offer and that's that?

    Thanks 😀
    There's a lot of applicants with 'outstanding academic profiles'. They're ten a penny.

    Nottingham is unlikely to 'negotiate': they don't need to. They have a surfeit of well-qualified applicants to chose from.
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    (Original post by MJ6987)
    Thanks. I know that Nottingham do sometimes offer unconditionals though...
    If they wanted to I think they would have done so already,I d say don't let it sway your daughter and if she can get all A*s then she could go anywhere she wanted to anyway.
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    (Original post by MJ6987)
    Hi,
    This may be a daft question but I'll ask anyway...

    My daughter has been offered the Unconditional Offer Scheme for Lancaster Law (she'd have to make it her firm choice though) plus a financial scholarship if she does so.

    However, she also has a conditional offer (AAA) from Nottingham, which is a better Uni for Law.

    She has an "outstanding academic profile" (Lancaster's words not mine 😉) and is predicted all A*s at A Level.

    If she contacted Nottingham and said something like "Lancaster have offered me this.........would you be prepared to offer me an unconditional offer if I make you my firm choice" would they ever negotiate like this? Or is the offer the offer and that's that?

    Thanks 😀
    No, a lot of universities will try to draw candidates in by lowering offers or giving out unconditionals. Nottingham will attract candidates who will achieve AAA, for Law especially, so don't need to do this.

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    If your daughter is predicted all A*s should she not apply to Oxbridge, LSE and UCL as well as Lancaster and Nottingham?
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    (Original post by MJ6987)
    Hi,
    This may be a daft question but I'll ask anyway...

    My daughter has been offered the Unconditional Offer Scheme for Lancaster Law (she'd have to make it her firm choice though) plus a financial scholarship if she does so.

    However, she also has a conditional offer (AAA) from Nottingham, which is a better Uni for Law.

    She has an "outstanding academic profile" (Lancaster's words not mine 😉) and is predicted all A*s at A Level.

    If she contacted Nottingham and said something like "Lancaster have offered me this.........would you be prepared to offer me an unconditional offer if I make you my firm choice" would they ever negotiate like this? Or is the offer the offer and that's that?

    Thanks 😀
    no that never ever happens unis may make an offer below their entry requirements and may also accept you even if you miss your offer bay a grade or so but if you phone up looking for a better offer they most likely won't budge particularly if the exams go a bit pear shaped.
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    OK, fair enough, was worth asking as it's a bit of a dark art this UCAS stuff!
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    (Original post by Maker)
    If your daughter is predicted all A*s should she not apply to Oxbridge, LSE and UCL as well as Lancaster and Nottingham?
    She has applied for Oxford and Durham as well although she hasn't heard back from either yet and Oxford is insanely competitive for Law (15% applicant success rate).

    She didn't apply to the London ones due to high living costs.
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    There's a reason Lancaster hands out unconditionals willy-nilly - they're not a competitive uni and are struggling for bums on seats.

    Your daughter sounds intelligent and should be able to get the grades for Nottingham so I'd ignore the cheap tactics from Lancaster and go for Nottingham.
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    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    There's a reason Lancaster hands out unconditionals willy-nilly - they're not a competitive uni and are struggling for bums on seats.

    Your daughter sounds intelligent and should be able to get the grades for Nottingham so I'd ignore the cheap tactics from Lancaster and go for Nottingham.
    Lancaster "uncompetitive"? Yet their average UCAS tariff in 2015 was 423, Nottingham was 424. Hardly any difference.

    Oh and Nottingham also give "Unconditional If Firm" offers.

    Try again...
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    (Original post by MJ6987)
    She has applied for Oxford and Durham as well although she hasn't heard back from either yet and Oxford is insanely competitive for Law (15% applicant success rate).
    I assume that Oxford is her first choice. What's her second?

    Given my assumption, I wouldn't ask for an 'unconditional if firm' offer if she wouldn't firm it immediately. With the grade predictions, it seems like an odd request anyway.
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    (Original post by RogerOxon)
    I assume that Oxford is her first choice. What's her second?

    Given my assumption, I wouldn't ask for an 'unconditional if firm' offer if she wouldn't firm it immediately. With the grade predictions, it seems like an odd request anyway.
    Durham second choice but not much in it between them and Nottingham I think. Like I said, Oxford is very difficult to get into (and she is not confident about the idea of an interview as she has Aspergers) so she is thinking of different scenarios I guess.
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    (Original post by MJ6987)
    Durham second choice but not much in it between them and Nottingham I think. Like I said, Oxford is very difficult to get into (and she is not confident about the idea of an interview as she has Aspergers) so she is thinking of different scenarios I guess.
    Has she watched the various videos of mock Oxford interviews? They're far less scary than many think. Law is very competitive, but with those predicted grades, I would expect that she has a better than average chance. Which college?

    It's very easy for applicants to get extremely stressed about offers and universities not replying quickly, and imagine all sorts of unlikely scenarios (my son has applied this year, but I'm the stressed one). Admissions tutors are very busy at this time of year, so I'd advise to wait for all the decisions before attempting to negotiate offers, if she still wants to.
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    (Original post by RogerOxon)
    Has she watched the various videos of mock Oxford interviews? They're far less scary than many think. Law is very competitive, but with those predicted grades, I would expect that she has a better than average chance. Which college?

    It's very easy for applicants to get extremely stressed about offers and universities not replying quickly, and imagine all sorts of unlikely scenarios (my son has applied this year, but I'm the stressed one). Admissions tutors are very busy at this time of year, so I'd advise to wait for all the decisions before attempting to negotiate offers, if she still wants to.
    Thanks - that's good advice and I think she's definitely going to wait until she's got a decision from all before making any decisions

    She's applied to LMH as she did an outreach (Uniq) Law residential there in the summer and loved it

    She hasn't watched the mock interviews yet as she doesn't want to think about it until she gets called (if she does) but she will do
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    LMH - nice location next to Parks. Good luck with the LNAT result.
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    Lancaster is rated the 8th best uni in the UK and the 29th out of 96 for Law
    Nottingham is the 25th best in the UK and the 17th out of 96 for Law

    The above posters are talking as if Lancaster is bad uni so your daughter should aim higher but don't think Lancaster is terrible, good luck getting into Nottingham, she's capable.
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    no you cannot negotiate offers ; the uni decides what offer to give you and thats final...
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    2 peanuts and 3As or nothing.
 
 
 
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