Labour will not oppose Brexit following Art 50 ruling

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7395101.html

"Labour will continue to push for Britiain to leave the European Union following the ruling by the High Court.

Jeremy Corbyn has called on the Government to bring its Brexit negotiating terms to Parliament after the High Court ruled Theresa May cannot bypass MPs and peers when she triggers Article 50.

He announced Labour will continue to press for a "Brexit that works for Britain" and has called for greater transparency from the Government."

This is a good decision. Labour must respect the referendum result, but push to avoid a catastrophic 'hard' Brexit using the opportunity which has been offered.
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Of course. Corbyn is anti-EU. Perhaps the pro-EU members who voted for him should have remembered this when they voted him in as leader. Not that most of them even knew who Corbyn was 5 years ago but that's on them.
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Corbyn is the most anti-EU MP out there. No suprise at all.
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Of course. Corbyn is anti-EU. Perhaps the pro-EU members who voted for him should have remembered this when they voted him in as leader. Not that most of them even knew who Corbyn was 5 years ago but that's on them.
And as such corbyn is more inline with working class that labour have supposedly sold out

As you have said, pushing to remain would be suicide.

Do you think Corbyn should be campaigning to remain?
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Disappointed with JC and Labour atm... Surely they are supposed to represent the views of Labour voters, who, according to Labour, voted to remain.
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Disappointed with JC and Labour atm... Surely they are supposed to represent the views of Labour voters, who, according to Labour, voted to remain.
The electorate overall voted to leave the EU and Labour need to respect that. They of course need to represent the views of Labour remainers, but that does not mean trying to block the result of a referendum which is not going to get them anywhere. It means pressuring the government on certain issues and fighting for compromises and for what they think would be the best deal possible.
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(Original post by RF_PineMarten)
The electorate overall voted to leave the EU and Labour need to respect that. They of course need to represent the views of Labour remainers, but that does not mean trying to block the result of a referendum which is not going to get them anywhere. It means pressuring the government on certain issues and fighting for compromises and for what they think would be the best deal possible.
Of course, but I do not think Labour should be pressing for brexit. There is a difference between respecting the result and pressing for brexit.
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(Original post by RF_PineMarten)
The electorate overall voted to leave the EU and Labour need to respect that. They of course need to represent the views of Labour remainers, but that does not mean trying to block the result of a referendum which is not going to get them anywhere. It means pressuring the government on certain issues and fighting for compromises and for what they think would be the best deal possible.
Not only that but the way leave vote is distributed in FPTP terms any party (other than special cases like Lib dems and SNP) will get clobbered if they want to remain.
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This is a good move by Corbyn to preserve the integrity of the party and possibly raise his popularity. Had he suggested MPs vote as they campaigned, it would result in the decimation of the party at the next (possibly soon) general election, as most voters in Labour backed constituencies voted to leave.

I voted to remain but it's abundantly clear we are not going to, so we may as well at the very least campaign for single market access.
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This isn't anything if note- the most pro eu labour MPs Benn, Kendall et al have all said the same thing.

However as Kinnock said yesterday whilst they accept we need to leave the EU that doesn't mean at any cost (so single market membership )
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(Original post by rockrunride)
This is a good move by Corbyn to preserve the integrity of the party and possibly raise his popularity. Had he suggested MPs vote as they campaigned, it would result in the decimation of the party at the next (possibly soon) general election, as most voters in Labour backed constituencies voted to leave.

I voted to remain but it's abundantly clear we are not going to, so we may as well at the very least campaign for single market access.
That feeling you get when you were going to make a post but someone got there before you basically word for word. :laugh:
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This isn't anything if note- the most pro eu labour MPs Benn, Kendall et al have all said the same thing.

However as Kinnock said yesterday whilst they accept we need to leave the EU that doesn't mean at any cost (so single market membership )
But at what compramise and which groups want the single market as a priority. Do these groups matter to the executive electorally?

Polling after the referendum found that ~50% of Leave voters voted for sovereignty, ~30% for immigration. That is basically vote to Leave the ECJ (a foreign court) and end free moment. To keep single market membership will be almost impossible without a big compramise (Boris has suggested money).
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But at what compramise and which groups want the single market as a priority. Do these groups matter to the executive electorally?

Polling after the referendum found that ~50% of Leave voters voted for sovereignty, ~30% for immigration. That is basically vote to Leave the ECJ (a foreign court) and end free moment. To keep single market membership will be almost impossible without a big compramise (Boris has suggested money).
I think it's fair to assume the vast, vast majority of Remainers want to stay in the single market. 20% of leave voters is 10% of all votes. That translates to 58% wanting to stay in the single market.
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There's a herd mentality thing here. Labour think that it will be seen as politically toxic to be seen to oppose Brexit now but if there was a sense of a shift in the public mood they would very quickly (especially if they were under new leadership) shift position.

Also it might not be as politically toxic as people claim. The referendum result was close, there were Leave voters that regret their choice and there are a lot of disaffected Remainers around so the idea that opposing Brexit will bring out the masses of the UK public on the streets in protest may be an exaggeration.
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Opponents to government measures don't vote down Bills. They pass wrecking amendments which makes the government abandon the legislation.
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(Original post by MagicNMedicine)
There's a herd mentality thing here. Labour think that it will be seen as politically toxic to be seen to oppose Brexit now but if there was a sense of a shift in the public mood they would very quickly (especially if they were under new leadership) shift position.

Also it might not be as politically toxic as people claim. The referendum result was close, there were Leave voters that regret their choice and there are a lot of disaffected Remainers around so the idea that opposing Brexit will bring out the masses of the UK public on the streets in protest may be an exaggeration.
Very true :yy:
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