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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37254851

    There is a whole heap of bollux in that article. However not a single bolluck comes anywhere near to the answer which is obvious.

    If humans really did evolve from apes, why do they ask questions of such stupidity that it implies a reversal of evolution? Maybe apes evolved from humans.
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    In my school only one girl bothered with an engineering gcse because basically every other girl was sensible and went "oh gosh that's like hardcore DT sod that trash"
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    I did Electronics GCSE but only because an Engineering GCSE wasn't open to me
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    (Original post by Laomedeia)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37254851

    There is a whole heap of bollux in that article. However not a single bolluck comes anywhere near to the answer which is obvious.

    If humans really did evolve from apes, why do they ask questions of such stupidity that it implies a reversal of evolution? Maybe apes evolved from humans.
    Had to submit a formal complaint to the BBC about this trash...
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    Because it's easier just to complain about the wage gap.
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    They're obviously not cut out for it and prefer Mickey Mouse subjects like 'gender studies'.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Humans are evolving in the "wrong" direction, i.e. "devolving", in terms of intelligence.

    For example, there used to be what was called the a Flynn effect, whereby each generation would improve upon the last generation's scores in IQ tests. The Flynn effect has slowed in virtually all developed countries, and even reversed in many.

    There is no evolutionary pressure any more not to be stupid; and since more educated people have fewer children, its pretty obvious what the result will be.
    Theres also medical stuff. Injuries and brain defects and genetic malfunctions which would have once been fatal, are now survivable, often survivable enough to reproduce. As a result such flaws are now passed on. Evolution is based on survival of the fittest, but thanks to medicine, its now survival for the fattest. Its also a good job Im too ugly to pull women because I am really f,kin useless.

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    They're obviously not cut out for it and prefer Mickey Mouse subjects like 'gender studies'.
    Exactly, that there is the answer despite several exceptions such as Maggie Aderin-Pocock and................etc.

    Also this election for a new leader for the USA. Given the quality of the candidates, its a bit like trying to choose your favourite disease.
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    I actually lived with a smoking hot blodne girl who was doing a masters in electronic engineering - some girls definitely do do it, but it's incredibly rare, ngl. most girls are conformists so they stick to humanities like their mothers did.
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    When UCL removed the Maths and physics requirmemet from their civil engineering course, they had a vast increase in the number of female applicants. I think most girls don't do engineering because of physics A Level, because there were barely any girls in my physics class, yet half of my maths class was, in fact, female. It's anecdotal, yes, but I'm sure everyone notices a similar patten in their own school/college. Admittedly, I'm not sure about what the reason is on why girls avoid physics A Level, though when I did it last year, it was pretty dull. I did it to AS and it seemed like an extension of mechanics (in maths) with some particle physics, nuclear physics and some lasers thrown in.
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    At my school, engineering wasn't really encouraged for some reason.. I only know of two other people who applied for it, other than myself. I'm not sure why more women don't pick it but hopefully in the future that will change!
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    A: Engineering requires high IQ. and females are under-represented to an increasing degree the higher up the IQ scale you go
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    Some people aren't encouraged to do specific subjects, simples.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Females have a higher variance IQ
    There is lower variance displayed in female IQ stats e.g. fewer females in the very low/very high IQ bands. They cluster more around the mean, which varies in relation to the male mean, over time, but is currently understood to be slightly above it

    This is not the same as saying men have a higher average IQ than women.
    Indeed it is not, which is just as well as this thread, and my OP, have absolutely nothing to do with those of average intellectual capacity The point is that the further you go up the IQ scale into 'above-average' territory, the fewer and fewer females you see represented in the data, compared to the number of males at each interval. Capeesh?
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    A: Engineering requires high IQ. and females are under-represented to an increasing degree the higher up the IQ scale you go
    No, it doesn't require an IQ so high that it's only accessible to those who score at a level where there are far fewer females relative to males.
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    (Original post by Smack)
    it doesn't require an IQ so high that it's only accessible to those who score at a level where there are far fewer females relative to males


    vs. Engineers average IQ: c.130. There will be exceptions to the rule, but my assertion is generally borne out by the data
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)


    vs. Engineers average IQ: c.130. There will be exceptions to the rule, but my assertion is generally borne out by the data
    You have misunderstood my post. I said that it does not require an IQ so high that it occupies a position on the bell curve where there are far fewer females relative to males. There are lots of very intelligent people who study engineering degrees and move into the profession, yes, no-one is disputing this.

    Interestingly, maths, which as a field and degree is arguably more dependent on IQ and natural ability than engineering, tends to have a more even male to female ratio than engineering. Even certain disciplines of engineering, such as bio or chemical, tend to have more female representation. This, to me, suggests it's largely about subject choices, with girls being less likely to take the requisite subjects, and that large parts of engineering simply aren't appealing to females, just like how there are certain occupations that just aren't that appealing to males.
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    Well, feminists like to tell us it's all social conditioning and girls don't want to study engineering because it's a 'boy' subject and there aren't enough female engineers on TV.

    But even in countries like Sweden, where they really make an effort to stamp this out, career segregation is actually a little larger there than in places like India.

    However, we know men and women have diferent psychologies and start to show differences in behaviour before even being socialised. And no matter the country, no matter the continent, and no matter the era, the construction and engineering jobs have almost always been completely dominated by males. There's something deeper than 'social conditioning' going on here, I think.

    Also, I'd like to see an article about there not being enough female sewer workers and ditch diggers. People only complain about gender proportions in the fancy white collar jobs.
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    (Original post by Smack)
    I said that it does not require an IQ so high that it occupies a position on the bell curve where there are far fewer females relative to males
    It's generally understood that the average IQ in the profession is high as there is a requirement on the part of participants within that segment of the labour market to have high logistical intellect e.g. so as to be able to perform well a field requiring, at times, ready comprehension of complex calculi. The chart shows that females are outnumbered several times over at 130+ IQ points. I trust this resolves any presumed tension, although it wasn't all that apparent, from your reply, what your contention was
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    It's generally understood that the average IQ in the profession is high as there is a requirement on the part of participants within that segment of the labour market to have high logistical intellect e.g. so as to be able to perform well a field requiring, at times, ready comprehension of complex calculi. The chart shows that females are outnumbered several times over at 130+ IQ points. I trust this resolves any presumed tension, although it wasn't all that apparent, from your reply, what your contention was
    My contention was with your original assertion that the reason there are not more women in engineering was due to IQ differences. That doesn't seem credible to me given that other subjects requiring a high IQ, such as maths, do not seem to have quite the same problem with recruiting female applicants, and there are even certain disciplines of engineering itself which also seem to fare much better too. Hence why I believe that more women do not choose engineering because they either did not choose the correct subjects to study it at degree level, or because they are simply not interested in it.
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    (Original post by Smack)
    other subjects requiring a high IQ, such as maths, do not seem to have quite the same problem with recruiting female applicants
    They remain male dominated, in the main

    more women do not choose engineering because they either did not choose the correct subjects to study it at degree level, or because they are simply not interested in it
    These are also important factors but it's important to recognise that both relate fairly directly to my principle contention. The logistically minded tend to gravitate toward related subjects/interests vs. the socially minded who play to alternate strengths
 
 
 
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