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    Which one you guys and gals prefer????????????
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    (Original post by Robertto)
    Which one you guys and gals prefer????????????
    Fascism at least it has a nations best interests at heart
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    Neither. I'd fight against either system being implemented.
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    Communism is a utopian system, there's no competition. It's objectively like saying Heaven vs Fascism. Try 'Soviet-style Socialism vs Fascism'.
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    Fascism.

    Communism is a very sweet poison.

    Not that fascism is a heap better but it largely depends on the person ruling
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    (Original post by Jasaron)
    Communism is a utopian system, there's no competition. It's objectively like saying Heaven vs Fascism. Try 'Soviet-style Socialism vs Fascism'.
    Soviet Style socialism which was implemented under Stalin and killed 30 million people which was his own people. Hitler killed 20 million in order to try and make his country better- I know both ideologies are wrong but at least hitler thought he was acting in the interests of the German people
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    fascism
    at least hitler made the trains run on time
    in the soviet union, train drives you, 40 minutes late
    (nah but seriously, communism can lick my shaft)
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    communism. You can see all these people in the thread who say fascism is better because they have been indoctrinated with western ideals that have taught them about how bad the commies were etc etc

    Communism ends the oppression of the people, if you're against communism you're supporting the continued exploitation of people to make your goods for you.
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    (Original post by ssnipertitss)
    communism. You can see all these people in the thread who say fascism is better because they have been indoctrinated with western ideals that have taught them about how bad the commies were etc etc

    Communism ends the oppression of the people, if you're against communism you're supporting the continued exploitation of people to make your goods for you.
    capitalism is literally the system where giving people happiness pays though. you can't profit without giving somebody what they value more than the money in their pocket at that specific point in time. bill gates, for example, got a profit off of you when he sold you one of his PCs. but isn't you life so much better now that you've got a PC even though he profited from you in terms of how much was spent on the raw materials and the labour to make the PC itself? okay, here's another example: harry potter. J K Rowling made your life a little bit better by making those stories (assuming you're a fan like most people) - you only spent a little bit of money on her works but now she's a billionaire. inequality? yes, but inequality happens when people make you happy. even in situations of poverty via transnational corporations - people in india and malaysia work in sweat shops because they pay people more than the companies from their own country - even though the MNCs get profits from them, they are better off like that, just like you with harry potter movies and PCs. also, if you got your equality from communism, that would literally be another kind of inequality, because people would be profiting in terms of their happiness from you, because you don't get anything more than a baseline back while they technically get more than you because they're getting a surplus of happiness while you aren't. there's more to capitalism than simply wealth or property.
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    Facism, unlike communism they take human nature into account.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    capitalism is literally the system where giving people happiness pays though. you can't profit without giving somebody what they value more than the money in their pocket at that specific point in time. bill gates, for example, got a profit off of you when he sold you one of his PCs. but isn't you life so much better now that you've got a PC even though he profited from you in terms of how much was spent on the raw materials and the labour to make the PC itself? okay, here's another example: harry potter. J K Rowling made your life a little bit better by making those stories (assuming you're a fan like most people) - you only spent a little bit of money on her works but now she's a billionaire. inequality? yes, but inequality happens when people make you happy. even in situations of poverty via transnational corporations - people in india and malaysia work in sweat shops because they pay people more than the companies from their own country - even though the MNCs get profits from them, they are better off like that, just like you with harry potter movies and PCs. also, if you got your equality from communism, that would literally be another kind of inequality, because people would be profiting in terms of their happiness from you, because you don't get anything more than a baseline back while they technically get more than you because they're getting a surplus of happiness while you aren't. there's more to capitalism than simply wealth or property.
    You say its happiness, but the spread of happiness is so uneven. I can afford to buy a new phone, the sweatshop workers who made that phone can only just about buy food. Eventually that profit drive will reacha point where everyones wages go down and businesses go bankrupt as a result. It maybe extreme but still.

    Communism isnt just about evolving from capitalism. Its about ending such an injustice so that this happiness is spread more equally and welfare is good for everyone
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    Communism
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    (Original post by ssnipertitss)
    You say its happiness, but the spread of happiness is so uneven. I can afford to buy a new phone, the sweatshop workers who made that phone can only just about buy food. Eventually that profit drive will reacha point where everyones wages go down and businesses go bankrupt as a result. It maybe extreme but still.

    Communism isnt just about evolving from capitalism. Its about ending such an injustice so that this happiness is spread more equally and welfare is good for everyone
    might I refer you to:

    ^this
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    Communism because then a number of people in this thread would be dead.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    might I refer you to:

    ^this
    Her actions did have a large cost on people's social welfare, thatchers privatisation was beneficial but id rather prioritise everyones welfare
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    (Original post by ssnipertitss)
    Her actions did have a large cost on people's social welfare, thatchers privatisation was beneficial but id rather prioritise everyones welfare
    no I was referring to that all-important quote:
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    Communism because something needs to be done to extinguish the growth of right wing fascist policies of the Trump- May brigade. We need to educate our youth to stop supporting the right.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    no I was referring to that all-important quote:
    Communism isnt going to cause small shifts with the inequality gap, the movement will be monumental and radical. Complete ownership and nationalisation of businesses for example will almost certainly cause the biggest redistribution of wealth any government could ever do and thats just the start
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    (Original post by ssnipertitsss)
    Communism isnt going to cause small shifts with the inequality gap, the movement will be monumental and radical. Complete ownership and nationalisation of businesses for example will almost certainly cause the biggest redistribution of wealth any government could ever do and thats just the start
    I think you've missed the point - just because it's radical that doesn't mean it's going to be more successful in any respect. all the evidence shows that government management/ownership is a failure.
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    I'll take communism please. Communism seeks to liberate people, fascism seeks to oppress them. Communism is better because of its intentions.
 
 
 
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