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    The last 6 months has seen an alarming spread of right wing politics. From the rise of racism and xenophobia since 23rd June to the dictatorial attitudes of 'prime minister unelect Teressa May' and the rise of her right wing ally Donald Trump.

    Right wing politics doesn't just stop there, on a daily basis we see right wing garbage against immigration in the gutter press, channel 5s obsessive propaganda shows against the poor and those on benefits. We see the rise of tuition fees, welfare cuts, sanctions, bedroom taxes. The erosion of our NHS etc.

    More worrying is many people of my age at college, who think Trump would be a great president, my school wasn't too bad but what the hell do they teach in other schools where kids leave to support right wing nationalistic values?

    What can be done? We need to persuade people away from the gutter press and teach them that right is not right.
    We have kids growing up and believing what they read in the Tory tabloid press or the rubbish they might see on channel 5 pushed on them like drugs. They grow to be bigoted, to have contempt for the poor and needy. To develop a truly self centred attitude that will be the envy of the most conservative in society.

    Schools need to warn pupils not to support right wing values and thoughts.
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    You're making the same assumption a lot of people seem to be making - that being right wing is "wrong" and left wing somehow have the moral high-ground- you don't. Thinking this way is just as dangerous.

    You convince people to come to your side of the argument. Right now the left is simply looking like a failure both in America (she just says whatever she has to in order to get elected) and in the UK with an ineffective labour party. I'm a labour member and I think that way so imagine what others must see.

    Quick edit - we never elect a PM. She is the leader of the largest party. That's how the system works and frankly it's a lot better then not being able to remove the president. They are stuck with one of the two awful candidates for four years.
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    Well that's just all highly subjective.

    You can't force people to believe what you believe

    Where would we be if we were all the same?
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    Why is it anything that make left wingers mildly uncomfortable , it has to be censored.
    Can you not just learn to live and listen to views that differ from yours, were not a collective in the USSR , we aren't lemmings who all think alike.

    Its really great how you have a very Stalinist view of the world.
    If you are attacking the media which is mainly liberal your honestly baffed L0l!
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    I like how you assume supporting Trump or being right wing automatically makes you a racist.
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    The left isn't helping the people it is supposed to help, a governments primary role is to help its citizens and left wing politics has forgotten this recently so for the left to succeed they have to help the working class of this country.

    An example of this would be the way labour reacted when the government kept jobs in Sunderland.
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    Just make sure you keep Corbyn in place, OP. He'll sort it all out eventually!
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    Face it liberals - you live in a right-wing world, and we will continue to move further right. If you don't like it you can s*d off to North Korea, we don't want you here anyway.
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    This forum is full of right wing degenerates OP: there is no point trying to argue here.
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    (Original post by Mekkiii)
    Why is it anything that make left wingers mildly uncomfortable , it has to be censored.
    Can you not just learn to live and listen to views that differ from yours, were not a collective in the USSR , we aren't lemmings who all think alike.

    Its really great how you have a very Stalinist view of the world.
    If you are attacking the media which is mainly liberal your honestly baffed L0l!
    The only media that is liberal is, the Guardian, BBC and at a push the Independent and the Mirror.
    Most papers like the Sun, Daily Fail and Express are totally un-liberal as is Channel 5.
    Their attitudes are almost dictatorial treating their readers/viewers as captives, sucked in with free low budget DVDs and gifts like a pet owner favouring a pet with presents and bones to get their loyalty and discipline.
    Simple text style and lie after lie once the reader or viewer is sucked in to believe any damn thing they say. Soon even the most blue collar working class person becomes xenophobic, and hates anyone is poor or is on benefits or disabled. They are then more likely to vote Tory or UKIP. Thus the media ensures the Tory establishment is kept in power.

    That to me is very un- liberal and very undemocratic. Grooming voters with weak minds.
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    (Original post by Orbital Rising)
    This forum is full of right wing degenerates OP: there is no point trying to argue here.
    Speak for yourself. I happen to be left wing but I'm not so arrogant to see someone who disagrees with me as a racist. I know why people voted to leave the EU and I can very much see why people would turn to trump. It doesn't make them bad people for having such views. If you think it does... maybe look in a mirror. You're part of the problem.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    The only media that is liberal is, the Guardian, BBC and at a push the Independent and the Mirror.
    Most papers like the Sun, Daily Fail and Express are totally un-liberal as is Channel 5.
    Their attitudes are almost dictatorial treating their readers/viewers as captives, sucked in with free low budget DVDs and gifts like a pet owner favouring a pet with presents and bones to get their loyalty and discipline.
    Simple text style and lie after lie once the reader or viewer is sucked in to believe any damn thing they say. Soon even the most blue collar working class person becomes xenophobic, and hates anyone is poor or is on benefits or disabled. They are then more likely to vote Tory or UKIP. Thus the media ensures the Tory establishment is kept in power.

    That to me is very un- liberal and very undemocratic. Grooming voters with weak minds.
    So your solution to this is to essentially censor them?
    You act as if the BBC is a small media outlet, and if you live in London, the metro and the evening standard are all left wing newspapers that are handed out in stations.

    You are a facist, you want a controlled left wing media so people dont say things that offend you and fk off about undemocractic when your the one who wants right wing speech shut down.

    Almost 400,000 British soldiers died to stop the spread of facism in WW2.
    Just remember that.
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    I've got to hand it to ambitious for being a dedicated and consistent troll.
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    I see myself as centre-right but you are way in over your head. You claim to be so tolerant but you want to eradicate right-wing beliefs completely. That's censorship.
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    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    Face it liberals - you live in a right-wing world, and we will continue to move further right. If you don't like it you can s*d off to North Korea, we don't want you here anyway.
    Not necessarily the case. Cuba is still Socialist, and the popularity of Marxism is returning in places like the Czech Republic. I worked with Czech exchange students in the summer and many teens envy their grandparents who had free university, free healthcare, generous welfare payments, opportunities and everything and felt a lot safer under the security of the Warsaw pact. Many Czech youths wear the T shirts of Che and Mao and want what their parents and grand parents enjoyed.
    Then there is the chance that Ba'ath socialism will win when Assad takes back all of Syria. And the Libyan peoples socialist Jamarihiya will rise again one day in Libya.
    Venezuela is also a socialist country.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Not necessarily the case. Cuba is still Socialist, and the popularity of Marxism is returning in places like the Czech Republic. I worked with Czech exchange students in the summer and many teens envy their grandparents who had free university, free healthcare, generous welfare payments, opportunities and everything and felt a lot safer under the security of the Warsaw pact. Many Czech youths wear the T shirts of Che and Mao and want what their parents and grand parents enjoyed.
    Then there is the chance that Ba'ath socialism will win when Assad takes back all of Syria. And the Libyan peoples socialist Jamarihiya will rise again one day in Libya.
    Venezuela is also a socialist country.
    Wrong type of "left wing". You're holding dictatorships up as examples.

    Europe is probably has the most left wing democracies (places like France, Germany, etc) and they seem to be moving to the right. Like Poland for example.
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    (Original post by SomeGuyHere)
    You're making the same assumption a lot of people seem to be making - that being right wing is "wrong" and left wing somehow have the moral high-ground- you don't. Thinking this way is just as dangerous.

    You convince people to come to your side of the argument. Right now the left is simply looking like a failure both in America (she just says whatever she has to in order to get elected) and in the UK with an ineffective labour party. I'm a labour member and I think that way so imagine what others must see.

    Quick edit - we never elect a PM. She is the leader of the largest party. That's how the system works and frankly it's a lot better then not being able to remove the president. They are stuck with one of the two awful candidates for four years.
    They could be a centrist by the sounds of it...

    I think it's fair to say in a modern society we expect the government to have a mandate from the people, or else we might as well let the monarch appoint the government like the good ole' days
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    (Original post by Mekkiii)
    So your solution to this is to essentially censor them?
    You act as if the BBC is a small media outlet, and if you live in London, the metro and the evening standard are all left wing newspapers that are handed out in stations.

    You are a facist, you want a controlled left wing media so people dont say things that offend you and fk off about undemocractic when your the one who wants right wing speech shut down.

    Almost 400,000 British soldiers died to stop the spread of facism in WW2.
    Just remember that.
    Its not a case of government controlling the right wing media (although the right is opposed to free thought), its about educating the people our youths to control the media by direct democracy. Media both private and public sector should be run by committees directly elected by the people and there should be freedom to criticise the media.


    My proposal is for total democracy so the country is totally run by the people. Children to be educated at school in politics from a young age as they will be the ones running the country with their thoughts and ideas and suggestions to local committees.

    The prime minister will simply be a guide.

    My ideas are to totally eradicate fascism and wage slavery in. This is a new politics for the problems of the 21st century.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Its not a case of government controlling the right wing media (although the right is opposed to free thought), its about educating the people our youths to control the media by direct democracy. Media both private and public sector should be run by committees directly elected by the people and there should be freedom to criticise the media.


    My proposal is for total democracy so the country is totally run by the people. Children to be educated at school in politics from a young age as they will be the ones running the country with their thoughts and ideas and suggestions to local committees.

    The prime minister will simply be a guide.

    My ideas are to totally eradicate fascism and wage slavery in. This is a new politics for the problems of the 21st century.
    That is utterly insane. Truth is not a consensus. And I'm not even sure what you mean by the 'Media' in this case. Are you suggesting that a child making pamphlets talking about their school play should require an elected committee? No? How about a child putting up a lost and found poster? No? An adult putting up a lost and found poster? No? An adult putting up a poster saying they support a political candidate? No? An adult writing a pamphlet about why you should support a political candidate? No? An adult writing a full newspaper dedicated to a particular political ideology?

    At what point is the line between 'Media' and 'People making their views known'?

    You can't and shouldn't control the media. The media has an obligation(Which it is currently failing) to operate as the 5th estate. They are not doing so because we do not want them to.

    Censoring papers, radio stations, blogs and TV stations(All various forms of 'media') to be forced to rule by consensus is utterly insane and unworkable.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    The last 6 months has seen an alarming spread of right wing politics. From the rise of racism and xenophobia since 23rd June to the dictatorial attitudes of 'prime minister unelect Teressa May' and the rise of her right wing ally Donald Trump.

    Right wing politics doesn't just stop there, on a daily basis we see right wing garbage against immigration in the gutter press, channel 5s obsessive propaganda shows against the poor and those on benefits. We see the rise of tuition fees, welfare cuts, sanctions, bedroom taxes. The erosion of our NHS etc.

    More worrying is many people of my age at college, who think Trump would be a great president, my school wasn't too bad but what the hell do they teach in other schools where kids leave to support right wing nationalistic values?

    What can be done? We need to persuade people away from the gutter press and teach them that right is not right.
    We have kids growing up and believing what they read in the Tory tabloid press or the rubbish they might see on channel 5 pushed on them like drugs. They grow to be bigoted, to have contempt for the poor and needy. To develop a truly self centred attitude that will be the envy of the most conservative in society.

    Schools need to warn pupils not to support right wing values and thoughts.
    while you need to acknowledge there has always been a sinister cabal of far right wing sympathisers lurking in the underbelly of society both here and other western democracies- the best solution to tackle the most recent upsurging of right wing ideology in wider society is to address the issue and concerns plenty of normal centrist thinking people have regarding extremist groups and radicalising rhetoric that came from what they see as protected islamist sources.
    whle it is an admirable leftist trait to try and protect minority rights and cultures from bigotry, many socialists have been painfully ignorant to the reality that certain minority groups have been allowing the use of this protection as a platform to spread there own ''right wing' esq doctrine under the guise of political islamist speech. until both left and right are united against the spread of extrmsit islamist doctrine and the effect it has on muslim communities in terms of their lack of integration, modernisation and indeed breeding of terrorism and or neo- terrorist ideas - then the ar right will sieze on their opportunity to point to islamist rhetoric and terrorist as a 'failure of multiculturalism' donald trump has piggybacked massivley off the after effects in usa of 9/11, orlando and indeed IS existence in europe. at the same time one cant help wondering how much the brexit vote here was influenced massivley by the threat of migrations form muslim countries via europe containing indoctrinated jihadi freakshows. the effects can also be seen in the vpting in of various far right politicans accross western europe - this is the result og mainstream society burying its head in the sand about the issues surrounding islamist groups and rhetoric in the west
 
 
 
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