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    Hi ppl. Well i wasn't itending to bring a TV to uni but today i received this letter from the tv licensing organisation thats states i would need a tv license if i intend to bring a laptop ?!

    How can that be or am i missreading it ?
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    If your laptop has a TV card then you need a licence.
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    (Original post by ~Kirsty~)
    If your laptop has a TV card then you need a licence.
    Actually you don't unless you intend to watch the TV while your laptop is connected to the mains.

    If your laptop only runs on batteries while you're watching TV then it counts as a portable TV and is covered by your parents licence.

    http://www.tvlicensing.biz/ is worth a look.
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    Unfortunately i had a few friends in first year who did just that, only watched off the mains, but still got fined a £1000.. so i wouldn't risk it.
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    I've paid for my TV licence every year since being at uni - better safe than sorry IMHO (particularly as I stay at uni over the summer, so there have been times when I'm the only person in my block ). If not, there are always common room TVs.
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    Another point is - even mobile phones which can receive TV need a licence according to TV licensing - so i doubt laptops receiving TV would be exempt.

    I had a license 1st year, none in the 2nd year (the internet has lots of TV shows when you know where to look), 3rd year we shared one in our flat.
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    (Original post by ~Kirsty~)
    Unfortunately i had a few friends in first year who did just that, only watched off the mains, but still got fined a £1000.. so i wouldn't risk it.
    Wow - everyone I know who got caught got told to buy a licence within a week. I've never known anyone who got caught out so well (ie by officers with a warrant to search your room who happened to catch you watching your TV on your laptop while it was plugged in to the mains - which is the evidence they would need to convict you in court) that they've got so far as being fined.

    Generally the TVLA work on intimidation rather than actual evidence or following the law...

    (and for what it's worth I got my licence through this weekend and it clearly states that it covers me and anyone else who lives in my house to use battery operated portable TVs)
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    The Edinburgh ones seem to fine fine fine. They tried fining us for their mistake last year. We transferred the address of a licence to the new flat but it hadn't come through. Day before the inspector people came we got a letter saying we hadn't a tv licence and someone will be round to inspect shortly. We brought one online, but even their system still showed us unlicensed, so we got out the laptop, opened up the confirmation email... he still gave us a note to say they had visited, and if the licence was genuine we should hear nomore. Thankfully that was the last we heard. I wasn't in when they called, apparently they were very intimidating.
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    ahhh - Scotland is a bit different as it doesn't have to be prosecuted as a civil case but as a legal one (so you're versus the crown not verses the TVLA).

    Even in Scotland though you're under no obligation to answer any questions or let an inspector into your house without a warrant

    http://www.tvlicensing.biz/leaflets/...ence_guide.pdf
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    Stupid legal system!

    Well i wasn't in when they came round, but they did send threatening letters beforehand at least 2, so i assume they had a warrant. I know they were checked for ID! lol!
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    I heard somewhere that unless you can prove you have never watched tv in your room be it on a laptop, borrowed tv etc you can be fined. As the proving is down to you not TVL to say you haven't... This seems weird to me, but i think i will just buy one anyway! Even though i mostly watch DVDs
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    If you have no aerial you can't watch tv - only get one if you will watch TV at some point.
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    It's unlikely they would have a warrant.

    To get a warrant they need to provide the police with evidence that you're breaking the law. And to get evidence they need to catch you watching TV (live TV not a video/DVD) without a licence...so unless you leave your TV in sight of a window and they managed to get a photograph of you watching it then they can't get a warrant.

    They get into people's houses through intimidation...
    http://www.tvlicensing.biz/students/index.htm

    Although again as I said it's slightly different in Scotland
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    If i end up taking my TV then ill probably get a TV lisence because its not the kind of tv that's easy to hide
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    If you can manage it avoid bringing your TV down until November (leave freshers month free for socialising....!...) that way you'll only need a licence for 9 months and can get the final quarter refunded next summer (and if you get rid of your TV early in the year you might get away with nly paying for 6 months....)
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    Good idea It's probably best for me not to take it when I first go because i need to see if i have space for it

    The socialising is going to be more limited by shyness than a tv for me tho
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    (Original post by ~Kirsty~)
    Unfortunately i had a few friends in first year who did just that, only watched off the mains, but still got fined a £1000.. so i wouldn't risk it.
    That's an obvious lie.
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    (Original post by ~Kirsty~)
    Another point is - even mobile phones which can receive TV need a licence according to TV licensing - so i doubt laptops receiving TV would be exempt.

    I had a license 1st year, none in the 2nd year (the internet has lots of TV shows when you know where to look), 3rd year we shared one in our flat.
    Anything needs a television licence, however a portable thing can be covered at any address of its owner - so most people would have these covered under their parents' licences.

    (Original post by ~Kirsty~)
    Well i wasn't in when they came round, but they did send threatening letters beforehand at least 2, so i assume they had a warrant. I know they were checked for ID! lol!
    Do you assume every idiot who sends you a threatening letter has a search warrant? How bloody daft can you be? Really.

    (Original post by Kidders)
    I heard somewhere that unless you can prove you have never watched tv in your room be it on a laptop, borrowed tv etc you can be fined. As the proving is down to you not TVL to say you haven't... This seems weird to me, but i think i will just buy one anyway! Even though i mostly watch DVDs
    There is a legitimate presumption in law that if you have a television, attached up to the mains, installed, tuned in, with an aeriel that you have almost certainly used it to watch television on.

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    ahhh - Scotland is a bit different as it doesn't have to be prosecuted as a civil case but as a legal one (so you're versus the crown not verses the TVLA).
    There's no such thing as a civil prosecution. The term you're looking for is private prosecution. But yes, unlike in England, in Scotland only the Crown really prosecutes - although private prosecutions do exist here, they are very, very rare.
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    im off to uni in september but over summer im working for a company which controlss the tv licensing admin system, when liveing in a shared house you only need one tv license unless your individual rooms have locks on your doors in which case you each need a license. it may also be usefull for you to know that tv licensing is monitored by postcode, large shops selling tvs and now i believe pc shops selling laptops with tv cards also request your postcode when purchasing the tv/laptop. a tv license must be held for the adress that you registered but i dont think this applies to uni as your adress registered will be your permanant adress rather then your halls adress so i think that random searches are performed at unis no way to get out buying one reely rather pay 130 then 1000. (sorry for my bad grammer and spelling)
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    It's unlikely they would have a warrant.

    To get a warrant they need to provide the police with evidence that you're breaking the law.
    The police cannot issue warrants - they are issued by courts.

    And to get evidence they need to catch you watching TV (live TV not a video/DVD) without a licence...so unless you leave your TV in sight of a window and they managed to get a photograph of you watching it then they can't get a warrant.
    They wouldn't need a photograph, just witnesses. The testamony of one TVL sort that you had a television and it was on would probably be enough to get a warrant - but they're more likely just to get one of their TVL chums over so there are two witnesses then take you to court.

    Of course, if the one had lied, he'd really be up **** creek and would have prejured himself.

    Although again as I said it's slightly different in Scotland
    I think all the above is the same in Scotland and the rest of the UK.
 
 
 
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