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Americans have rarely been given the chance to vote for a socialist president.

Despite the fact that the USA is built on socialist principles by the founding fathers. At this time people of America need to go back and search their roots seek the state they desire.
They want free healthcare like we have in the UK

Americans want a classless society where poor people on low incomes and jobless enjoy the same quality of life as millionaires and vice versa.

Where race creed and culture are all one because as humans we are the same people.

Where all earnings and wealth is taken and distributed equally back to the people.

Where everyone works for the good of the country rather than themselves.

Where the land is free as it was hundreds of years ago.


These are the principles suggested by the founding fathers and George Washington and are far detached from Trumps principles.
If Americans had these things then they would never vote for people like Trump. Americans need to search their past.
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Ever wonder why they're called Nazi's but not National Socialists?
The same reason Liberal Democrats are often called LibDems.
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Americans have rarely been given the chance to vote for a socialist president.
Not true. There are a range of candidates on ballot papers (or even write-in candidates) that people can vote for, not just those of the two major parties. Jill Stein of the Green Party could probably be described as a socialist: she got about one per cent of the vote.

Despite the fact that the USA is built on socialist principles by the founding fathers.
Definitely not.

They want free healthcare like we have in the UK
Arguably, yes. There's far from a consensus on how to move forward, however.

Americans want a classless society where poor people on low incomes and jobless enjoy the same quality of life as millionaires and vice versa.
That's not just untrue, it's also fundamentally nonsense.

Where everyone works for the good of the country rather than themselves.
Nope. The US stood quite strongly against Communism, if you recall.
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a) There is nothing to suggest the USA is heading toward self destruction

b) Socialism would hardly avertself destruction.
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(Original post by Ambitious1999)
They want free healthcare like we have in the UK
You can't always get what you want.


(Original post by Ambitious1999)
Americans want a classless society where poor people on low incomes and jobless enjoy the same quality of life as millionaires and vice versa.
This is not possbile unless you wish to destroy any country, but then classes will return anyway.



(Original post by Ambitious1999)
Where all earnings and wealth is taken and distributed equally back to the people.
Such system destroys motivation, generates costs of redistribution and is highly vulnerable to corruption.

(Original post by Ambitious1999)
Where everyone works for the good of the country rather than themselves.
There is very small number of people that can actually work this way for longer than one month.


(Original post by Ambitious1999)
If Americans had these things then they would never vote for people like Trump. Americans need to search their past.
Property differentiation is far too high and Trump's ideas certainly won't help it.
But If americans had those things, they actually WOULD vote for Trump, because their country would be in ruins due to lack of work motivation, terrible work quality, lack of technological progress and gigantic corruption.

Socialism is against human nature and therefore it can't work.
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Surely the question should be: can The USA save socialism from self-destruction?
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Americans have rarely been given the chance to vote for a socialist president.

Despite the fact that the USA is built on socialist principles by the founding fathers. At this time people of America need to go back and search their roots seek the state they desire.
They want free healthcare like we have in the UK

Americans want a classless society where poor people on low incomes and jobless enjoy the same quality of life as millionaires and vice versa.

Where race creed and culture are all one because as humans we are the same people.

Where all earnings and wealth is taken and distributed equally back to the people.

Where everyone works for the good of the country rather than themselves.

Where the land is free as it was hundreds of years ago.


These are the principles suggested by the founding fathers and George Washington and are far detached from Trumps principles.
If Americans had these things then they would never vote for people like Trump. Americans need to search their past.
Erm, excuse me? One of the candidates in the Democratic primary was a dirty socialist and he got duly rejected by the voters. You really think the Republicans and independents would want him if the liberal lefties didn't?

America is not, and will never be, a socialist country. It is now solidly right-wing and Trump will be moving it even further to the right, thank goodness.
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(Original post by Ambitious1999)
Americans have rarely been given the chance to vote for a socialist president.

Despite the fact that the USA is built on socialist principles by the founding fathers. At this time people of America need to go back and search their roots seek the state they desire.
They want free healthcare like we have in the UK

Americans want a classless society where poor people on low incomes and jobless enjoy the same quality of life as millionaires and vice versa.

Where race creed and culture are all one because as humans we are the same people.

Where all earnings and wealth is taken and distributed equally back to the people.

Where everyone works for the good of the country rather than themselves.

Where the land is free as it was hundreds of years ago.


These are the principles suggested by the founding fathers and George Washington and are far detached from Trumps principles.
If Americans had these things then they would never vote for people like Trump. Americans need to search their past.
Oh it'd be a classless society alright; those without any class would continue to bully those that do out jealousy. Crime would soar; the lazy invalids would get their voices heard; and the SJWs would finally get to commit seppuku after successfully destroying their own culture, objective fulfilled. All of them would be empowered by the monster that is the authoritarian leftist state.
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You really think America of all places is open to something like Socialism? Have you paid attention to the Cold War at all?
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You are obviously bitter about the election results. When I am down happy people can help cheer me up.

So I hope this picture of two very happy people helps cheer you up.

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Erm, excuse me? One of the candidates in the Democratic primary was a dirty socialist and he got duly rejected by the voters. You really think the Republicans and independents would want him if the liberal lefties didn't?

America is not, and will never be, a socialist country. It is now solidly right-wing and Trump will be moving it even further to the right, thank goodness.
To be fair to sanders, he wasn't rejected by the voters, it was the corrupt and undemocratic (ironic I know) superdelegate system used in the Democratic Party primaries. Among the delegates that were actually voted for in open primaries; Sanders was incredibly close to Clinton and may have been slightly ahead (I can't remember exactly) but it was his chronic lack of support amongst the super delegates that let him down.
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socialism is evil
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Didn't the US once napalm the **** out of some far away country because they were getting a bit too socialist for their own good?

I forget what it was called, did it begin with 'V'?

Ain't gonna happen buddy, along with the rest of your crazy ideas you post here.
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Didn't the US once napalm the **** out of some far away country because they were getting a bit too socialist for their own good?

I forget what it was called, did it begin with 'V'?

Ain't gonna happen buddy, along with the rest of your crazy ideas you post here.
Triggered.

The Vietnam war wasn't because Vietnam was "too socialist"; it was because the communist north wanted to take over the capitalist south, just like in Korea.

The main difference though, was that communism had a lot more support in South Vietnam than in South Korea (was still a minority though)

The US didn't just go and bomb any communist country, the policy was called containment; its the idea that they didn't want communist powers to take over nearby capitalist countries, as the Russians did in Eastern Europe after WWII.
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socialism is evil
Regardless of what you think about socialism and it's long term prosperity/viability you can't say it's evil it's literally trying to make a more socially just society. Besides I bet you can't even define socialism, but go on haters gonna hate.
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Regardless of what you think about socialism and it's long term prosperity/viability you can't say it's evil it's literally trying to make a more socially just society. Besides I bet you can't even define socialism, but go on haters gonna hate.
" ..A more socially just society." ?? Can this be read as social equality? Equality of result? I define social justice as a person getting his due compensation for his labor or his ideas with the free market setting the value of both.
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Regardless of what you think about socialism and it's long term prosperity/viability you can't say it's evil it's literally trying to make a more socially just society. Besides I bet you can't even define socialism, but go on haters gonna hate.
Except it's not socially just for those that work hard; earn their wealth and right to live comfortable, only to be knocked back down to "equality" while the hypocritical bureaucrats in the communist party live the high life.

How can you call that social justice?
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Except it's not socially just for those that work hard; earn their wealth and right to live comfortable, only to be knocked back down to "equality" while the hypocritical bureaucrats in the communist party live the high life.

How can you call that social justice?
That's the thing with commies, they value the Labour theory of value so much but don't apply it to the nouveau riche, it's a paradox to them and it's piss funny watching them try to rationalise it.

It triggered Stalin so much he sent all kulaks to the gulag
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Triggered.

The Vietnam war.
ermm the Vietnam police action
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ermm the Vietnam police action
Semantics, my point is still valid
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