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    As a Yorkshireman myself, it hurts to see a movement formed in my county, the Labour Party, continue to alienate the people of Yorkshire (and the north in general).

    We are basically Britain's "rust belt" in more ways than one; former industrial heartland; lots of white working class people; very socially conservative area despite historically supporting the centre left party, and finally, an area that has been left behind as a result of globalism and the neoliberal consensus.

    When Jeremy Corbyn and his cult of middle class SJWs talk about "socialism" they honestly have no idea, they have their heads so far in the sand that they believe that word means identity politics at the expense of the real proletariat, and believe me that creates white hot anger against the smug, arrogant, leftist intelligentsia.

    If the trend continues the comparisons between Yorkshire and the Rust Belt in America will become even more palpable in my opinion; just wait until the next general election and we'll see 50+ UKIP MPs; just the thought breaks my heart...
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    at least Tony Blair had a Northern Constituency.
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    It's fair to say that every party has failed Yorkshire.

    But, they're all largely safe seats. I doubt you'll see the swing you're predicting.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    As a Yorkshireman myself, it hurts to see a movement formed in my county, the Labour Party, continue to alienate the people of Yorkshire (and the north in general).

    We are basically Britain's "rust belt" in more ways than one; former industrial heartland; lots of white working class people; very socially conservative area despite historically supporting the centre left party, and finally, an area that has been left behind as a result of globalism and the neoliberal consensus.

    When Jeremy Corbyn and his cult of middle class SJWs talk about "socialism" they honestly have no idea, they have their heads so far in the sand that they believe that word means identity politics at the expense of the real proletariat, and believe me that creates white hot anger against the smug, arrogant, leftist intelligentsia.

    If the trend continues the comparisons between Yorkshire and the Rust Belt in America will become even more palpable in my opinion; just wait until the next general election and we'll see 50+ UKIP MPs; just the thought breaks my heart...
    They're surprised that there is a world outside the M25
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    It's fair to say that every party has failed Yorkshire.

    But, they're all largely safe seats. I doubt you'll see the swing you're predicting.
    yes I agree that the tories haven't been much better for Yorkshire in general, although mrs thatcher was quite popular (mining bs aside). The last truly good government for Yorkshire was Harold Wilson's in the 60s (he's from my hometown lol)

    As for the safe seats, you'd be surprised, UKIP were in second in a lot of the Yorkshire seats in 2015. Also look at the eu referendum electoral map in constitiuencies, the north was almost universally leave. Also with the boundary review coming up, nothing is guaranteed.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Also look at the eu referendum electoral map in constitiuencies, the north was almost universally leave. Also with the boundary review coming up, nothing is guaranteed.
    I'm not sure either of those will have the effect you think they will. A lot of people will go to vote and will always vote the same way, political affiliation had little to do with the referendum result. If they voted labour before, they'll vote Labour again. The boundaries won't change that either.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    yes I agree that the tories haven't been much better for Yorkshire in general, although mrs thatcher was quite popular (mining bs aside). The last truly good government for Yorkshire was Harold Wilson's in the 60s (he's from my hometown lol)

    As for the safe seats, you'd be surprised, UKIP were in second in a lot of the Yorkshire seats in 2015. Also look at the eu referendum electoral map in constitiuencies, the north was almost universally leave. Also with the boundary review coming up, nothing is guaranteed.
    Mrs Thatcher was very, very unpopular in Yorkshire : after all she closed a lot of Steel plants and organised the terrible attacks on the miners, devastating communities across the area. Over 90 miners were wrongly prosecuted and subsequently, at trial, received thousands of pounds in compensation. It was largely on the basis of his defence of these miners that Michael Mansfield QC consolidated his reputation as a civil rights barrister. You can hardly overstate the extent of the hatred for Mrs Thatcher's Conservatives in South Yorkshire.

    UKIP have a very few council seats in Yorkshire. They tend to be on the fringes of the big cities ( Ecclesfield and Stocksbridge eg an offshoot up the valley from Sheffield ) where the population is less well organised by the Labour Party.

    In the main where UKIP were second to Labour, they were far behind ( eg Burngreave Lab, 3,483 UKIP 539 ) In Sheffield proper it is as likely to be either the Greens or Lib Dems who challenge Labour. In Barnsley there is barely a UKIP presence - the challenge , if you can call it that in such an overwhelmingly Labour area, coming from the Barnsley Independent Group, Yorkshire First etc.

    Looking at the recent council election across the country I would say that UKIP's share of the vote has stood up in the South like Kent +7.9% and KIngs Lynn + 7.8% even Hartlepool +49.2% (! no candidate before ),but collapsed elsewhere Horsham -8.4%, Reigate -8.1%, Gloucester -6.6%, Rother Darwell -9.57%, East Riding -10.3% Medway - 13.1%, Poole -7.5% Greenwich -14.5%,
    Kettering -8.5%,Lancaster -7.5%.

    The Labour vote has obviously been tactical in the South - voting Lib Dem to keep out the Conservatives ( St Albans) or Con to keep out UKIP (Kent) and has switched to the nationalist 'left wing' parties SNP and Plaid C. However it has increased quite a lot in London and elsewhere, Greenwich +9.3%, Wandsworth +14.3%, Braintree + 6.8% (gain from Con.) Bracknell Forest +10.5%, Medway +3.5%, Lewisham Brockley +9.5%, Middlesborough +37.7%, Lancaster + 9.1% Sevenoaks (!) +2.3%, Haringuey + 12.4%. Hackney Hoxton + 11.5%, Bolton +4.7%

    It looks as though, despite voting BREXIT, there is not now a feeling in traditionally Labour Areas North and South, that UKIP has attractive policies in other areas.
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    (Original post by pickup)
    Mrs Thatcher was very, very unpopular in Yorkshire : after all she closed a lot of Steel plants and organised the terrible attacks on the miners, devastating communities across the area. Over 90 miners were wrongly prosecuted and subsequently, at trial, received thousands of pounds in compensation. It was largely on the basis of his defence of these miners that Michael Mansfield QC consolidated his reputation as a civil rights barrister. You can hardly overstate the extent of the hatred for Mrs Thatcher's Conservatives in South Yorkshire.

    UKIP have a very few council seats in Yorkshire. They tend to be on the fringes of the big cities ( Ecclesfield and Stocksbridge eg an offshoot up the valley from Sheffield ) where the population is less well organised by the Labour Party.

    In the main where UKIP were second to Labour, they were far behind ( eg Burngreave Lab, 3,483 UKIP 539 ) In Sheffield proper it is as likely to be either the Greens or Lib Dems who challenge Labour. In Barnsley there is barely a UKIP presence - the challenge , if you can call it that in such an overwhelmingly Labour area, coming from the Barnsley Independent Group, Yorkshire First etc.

    Looking at the recent council election across the country I would say that UKIP's share of the vote has stood up in the South like Kent +7.9% and KIngs Lynn + 7.8% even Hartlepool +49.2% (! no candidate before ),but collapsed elsewhere Horsham -8.4%, Reigate -8.1%, Gloucester -6.6%, Rother Darwell -9.57%, East Riding -10.3% Medway - 13.1%, Poole -7.5% Greenwich -14.5%,
    Kettering -8.5%,Lancaster -7.5%.

    The Labour vote has obviously been tactical in the South - voting Lib Dem to keep out the Conservatives ( St Albans) or Con to keep out UKIP (Kent) and has switched to the nationalist 'left wing' parties SNP and Plaid C. However it has increased quite a lot in London and elsewhere, Greenwich +9.3%, Wandsworth +14.3%, Braintree + 6.8% (gain from Con.) Bracknell Forest +10.5%, Medway +3.5%, Lewisham Brockley +9.5%, Middlesborough +37.7%, Lancaster + 9.1% Sevenoaks (!) +2.3%, Haringuey + 12.4%. Hackney Hoxton + 11.5%, Bolton +4.7%

    It looks as though, despite voting BREXIT, there is not now a feeling in traditionally Labour Areas North and South, that UKIP has attractive policies in other areas.
    I can't speak for Sheffield and the South Yorkshire areas you speak of, I'm from West Yorkshire personally (the real Yorkshire) and can only speak of what ive experienced here; Thatcher is liked here because of right to buy mainly and also her social and foreign policies which struck a chord with the working class (especially the falklands).
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    As a Yorkshireman myself, it hurts to see a movement formed in my county, the Labour Party, continue to alienate the people of Yorkshire (and the north in general).

    We are basically Britain's "rust belt" in more ways than one; former industrial heartland; lots of white working class people; very socially conservative area despite historically supporting the centre left party, and finally, an area that has been left behind as a result of globalism and the neoliberal consensus.

    When Jeremy Corbyn and his cult of middle class SJWs talk about "socialism" they honestly have no idea, they have their heads so far in the sand that they believe that word means identity politics at the expense of the real proletariat, and believe me that creates white hot anger against the smug, arrogant, leftist intelligentsia.

    If the trend continues the comparisons between Yorkshire and the Rust Belt in America will become even more palpable in my opinion; just wait until the next general election and we'll see 50+ UKIP MPs; just the thought breaks my heart...
    What would you like to see the Labour party offer?
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    I can't speak for Sheffield and the South Yorkshire areas you speak of, I'm from West Yorkshire personally (the real Yorkshire) and can only speak of what ive experienced here; Thatcher is liked here because of right to buy mainly and also her social and foreign policies which struck a chord with the working class (especially the falklands).
    Even though it was her neoliberal and globalist policies which shafted the working classes by moving their jobs abroad?
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    Fear not, the Tories are going to take Halifax and Wakefield at the next election.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    What would you like to see the Labour party offer?
    Keynesian economics without all the airy fairy SJW identity politics social policy *******s.

    Basically the Tory party right now.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Even though it was her neoliberal and globalist policies which shafted the working classes by moving their jobs abroad?
    If you read my post fully; you'll see that I said "the last truly good government for Yorkshire was Harold Wilson's in the 60s" my point was that thatcher has been the most popular PM (at least in West Yorkshire) since then.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Keynesian economics without all the airy fairy SJW identity politics social policy *******s.

    Basically the Tory party right now.
    Not Sanders esque economics?
    The tory party are not Keynisan in anything but rhetoric. They've spent the last six years decimating public services and pursuing the policies of globalisation which decimate local industries.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Not Sanders esque economics?
    The tory party are not Keynisan in anything but rhetoric. They've spent the last six years decimating public services and pursuing the policies of globalisation which decimate local industries.
    Under Cameron: May is taking them in a different direction economically.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Under Cameron: May is taking them in a different direction economically.
    In rhetoric but not actual policies.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Fear not, the Tories are going to take Halifax and Wakefield at the next election.
    lol, my constituency is Tory anyway; it comes under Colne Valley.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    I can't speak for Sheffield and the South Yorkshire areas you speak of, I'm from West Yorkshire personally (the real Yorkshire) and can only speak of what ive experienced here; Thatcher is liked here because of right to buy mainly and also her social and foreign policies which struck a chord with the working class (especially the falklands).
    Haha I love that "the real Yorkshire" . Yes we are
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    In rhetoric but not actual policies.
    Where is your basis for that considering Hammond hasn't actually had a budget or even an autumn statement as chancellor yet? You just dismiss it out of hand because of your personal hatred of the Conservative party.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Where is your basis for that considering Hammond hasn't actually had a budget or even an autumn statement as chancellor yet? You just dismiss it out of hand because of your personal hatred of the Conservative party.
    Because May pretty much voted through everything that Cameron proposed. Where was her opposition then?

    She has already said that there will be no more extra funding for the NHS. She has refused to back a motion to ban unpaid internships etc.

    I will reassess after the first budget next week but surely we should wait to see her actual policies rather than congratulating her based on pure rhetoric?
 
 
 
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