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I see so many threads regarding is this a good university? is this respectable? etc etc so I am going to make a thread for this and you guys can discuss. This thread will be for universities in England.

First Tier:
Oxford
Cambridge
LSE (Economics and Maths)
Warwick (Maths and Business)

Second Tier:
Manchester
Nottingham
Southampton
Birmingham
Bristol
Edinbourough
Durham
Warwick
Kings
UCL
City (Law and accounting and finance only)
Bath
Sheffield
Leeds
York
Lough Borough
Newcastle
Cardiff

Third Tier:
Leicester
Kent
City
Queen Mary
Brunel
Swansea
Glasgow

Ok This is rough list and I may have missed some good universities out. Obviously for different courses rankings will be different and where it is student life will all be different. The first tier universities require straight A's in GCSE A-Level are highly competitive and sometimes even getting the grade is not good enough. The second tier universities are amazing and many straight A students also go there due to preference. You could potentially get into these universities with a BTEC and maths. If you get in to one of those universities you would have done very well and usually requires AAA-BBB sometimes lower if very lucky. The third tier is decent but they try seem better than they are by asking for really high grades. Example Brunel asked for ABB and took someone with CCC.

I personally think if you go to a lower ranked university than those you are wasting your time. Unless of course you have got into medicine which is amazing! or if you need a degree e.g becoming a teacher.

I personally would not want to study with people from those lower universities as I feel I would be wasting my time. Also with no disrespect to BTEC's studying with BTEC students. I mentioned above how Tier 2 universities will take it with maths a proper hard A-Level but mostly they don't take them and they go the tier 3 universities.

Some of you will be like what the point of this thread and tbh I don't know I think this will be helpful as a student posted and I responded on her thread. She had Southampton and 4 other crap universities and some people people were giving awful suggestions and the head of biology at Bath Spa (The BTEC version of Bath) suggested itself over Southampton of course they would but then talked about how they prepare students more than these 'traditional universities' and I was like what the hell.

Also BTEC's can get you some places and if you get C's you may have been better off doing BTEC's or softer A-Levels.
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(Original post by Epistemolog y)
Hi,

I see so many threads regarding is this a good university? is this respectable? etc etc so I am going to make a thread for this and you guys can discuss. This thread will be for universities in England.

First Tier:
Oxford
Cambridge
LSE (Economics and Maths)
Warwick (Maths and Business)

Second Tier:
Manchester
Nottingham
Southampton
Birmingham
Bristol
Edinbourough
Durham
Warwick
Kings
UCL
City (Law and accounting and finance only)
Bath
Sheffield
Leeds
York
Lough Borough
Newcastle
Cardiff

Third Tier:
Leicester
Kent
City
Queen Mary
Brunel
Swansea
Glasgow

Ok This is rough list and I may have missed some good universities out. Obviously for different courses rankings will be different and where it is student life will all be different. The first tier universities require straight A's in GCSE A-Level are highly competitive and sometimes even getting the grade is not good enough. The second tier universities are amazing and many straight A students also go there due to preference. You could potentially get into these universities with a BTEC and maths. If you get in to one of those universities you would have done very well and usually requires AAA-BBB sometimes lower if very lucky. The third tier is decent but they try seem better than they are by asking for really high grades. Example Brunel asked for ABB and took someone with CCC.

I personally think if you go to a lower ranked university than those you are wasting your time. Unless of course you have got into medicine which is amazing! or if you need a degree e.g becoming a teacher.

I personally would not want to study with people from those lower universities as I feel I would be wasting my time. Also with no disrespect to BTEC's studying with BTEC students. I mentioned above how Tier 2 universities will take it with maths a proper hard A-Level but mostly they don't take them and they go the tier 3 universities.

Some of you will be like what the point of this thread and tbh I don't know I think this will be helpful as a student posted and I responded on her thread. She had Southampton and 4 other crap universities and some people people were giving awful suggestions and the head of biology at Bath Spa (The BTEC version of Bath) suggested itself over Southampton of course they would but then talked about how they prepare students more than these 'traditional universities' and I was like what the hell.

Also BTEC's can get you some places and if you get C's you may have been better off doing BTEC's or softer A-Levels.
So all of this was to prove some people wrong??
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So all of this was to prove some people wrong??
and to be of help for some people. Also used The Times and sunday times good university guide 2016 as sources.
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Bump this should be at the top helping people out. Instead of the click-bait names.
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I stopped reading when I saw UCL wasn't in the top tier but Warwick was. :rofl: Seriously, this is silly - I hope nobody bases their university choices on this list. It is pure fantasy.
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I stopped reading when I saw UCL wasn't in the top tier but Warwick was. :rofl: Seriously, this is silly - I hope nobody bases their university choices on this list. It is pure fantasy.
Like I said for Maths and Business only. I don't get the hate Warwick gets. It is truly amazing. How about you read the rest of the post and then comment. UCL is overhyped because it is in London nonetheless it was one of the best.
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Like I said for Maths and Business only. I don't get the hate Warwick gets. It is truly amazing. How about you read the rest of the post and then comment. UCL is overhyped because it is in London nonetheless it was one of the best.
You plainly don't know what you're talking about. UCL was rated as the best economics department in the country by REF 2014. Anyway, I'm not going to debate this with you - it has all been said before.
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You plainly don't know what you're talking about. UCL was rated as the best economics department in the country by REF 2014. Anyway, I'm not going to debate this with you - it has all been said before.
Ok if you put Warwick into second tier how about then? Warwick's maths is known to be as hard as Oxford and Cambridge.
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Like I said for Maths and Business only. I don't get the hate Warwick gets. It is truly amazing. How about you read the rest of the post and then comment. UCL is overhyped because it is in London nonetheless it was one of the best.
Mate, I am a Warwick applicant for Economics. I did not have a 7 in HL Math to apply to UCL. Thus, I believe you can consider my opinion objective.

UCL should 100% sure be in the Tier 1. It has great research quality, great buildings and high graduate prospects. It is definitelly a top university and at least equal to Warwick. On the other hand, you cannot have in the same Tier UCL and universities such as Manchester and City.
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Mate, I am a Warwick applicant for Economics. I did not have a 7 in HL Math to apply to UCL. Thus, I believe you can consider my opinion objective.

UCL should 100% sure be in the Tier 1. It has great research quality, great buildings and high graduate prospects. It is definitelly a top university and at least equal to Warwick. On the other hand, you cannot have in the same Tier UCL and universities such as Manchester and City.
City only for accounting and finance and Law it specialises in these such as Cass. Manchester for engineering is amazing! I guess I should have put Warwick maths only. Honestly Maths at Warwick is crazy hard but like I said for maths only or its Second tier also.
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These threads would be more useful if only people who had been to university in, say, the past 10 years were allowed to post.
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lets be honest the list he has compiled is pretty good.
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All this triggered is ANOTHER Warwick vs UCL debate.

What do there tiers even mean? What do they reflect? Does anyone seriously think most employers will care if your degree is from Warwick as opposed to Manchester? The only difference will be Tier 1 and 1.5 in extremely elite circles. UCL is not in the same group as them. Most pre 1992 universities are EXTREMELY similar to each other.

It should in general be something like:

1) Oxbridge
1.5) LSE and Imperial
2) All RGs (Liverpool and QUB are just as good as Bristol and Warwick, you will not be disadvantaged in any way) + St.Andrews, Loughborough, Bath
2.5) The rest of the pre 1992 unis minus Ulster, Bradford, and Salford
3) post 1992 + Ulster, Bradford, Salford

This is SUPER general. You have unis in tier 3 that have world class courses (e.g the two Bournemouth unis for Film and Animation stuff, Abertay for Video Game degrees, Plymouth for Marine Science)

It is pointless to make a general table. Subject specific is the only one that matters, and even then, there is little difference in the first 15-30 in most cases. Warwick has probably the more intensive math course than Durham, but at that point it is up to the applicant to decide what best suits them since there isn't really a crystal clear choice.
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guys in terms of employment no one cares where you got your degree from so long as its not Oxbridge in which case you are privileged not hard working so no one will employ you but you might if you are incredibly lucky and got a high first get a position of work experience as an intern burger flipper. If you are very lucky and willing to lick shoes etc you might even not have to pay for the privilege of been an intern burger flipped and might get to do it for free.

However so long as you don't make the mistake of going to Oxbridge most degrees are exactly the same. in terms of employment prospects which is why you should try to get into Southampton Solent, London Metropolitan or Anglia Ruskin. Their degrees will be easier and obviously people that spend their whole time partying deserve more success then those that waste their time studying.
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(Original post by Epistemolog y)
This thread will be for universities in England.

Edinbourough
Cardiff
Swansea
Glasgow
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Hi,

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Obvious Warwick student detected.

Warwick, with an offer rate of 85%, is "highly competitive"?!?

I hope no one trusts your absurd list for their university choices.
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Obvious Warwick student detected.

Warwick, with an offer rate of 85%, is "highly competitive"?!?

I hope no one trusts your absurd list for their university choices.
yea 'offer rate' do you realise the offer for warwick maths is A*A*A* good luck getting that m8
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All this triggered is ANOTHER Warwick vs UCL debate.

What do there tiers even mean? What do they reflect? Does anyone seriously think most employers will care if your degree is from Warwick as opposed to Manchester? The only difference will be Tier 1 and 1.5 in extremely elite circles. UCL is not in the same group as them. Most pre 1992 universities are EXTREMELY similar to each other.

It should in general be something like:

1) Oxbridge
1.5) LSE and Imperial
2) All RGs (Liverpool and QUB are just as good as Bristol and Warwick, you will not be disadvantaged in any way) + St.Andrews, Loughborough, Bath
2.5) The rest of the pre 1992 unis minus Ulster, Bradford, and Salford
3) post 1992 + Ulster, Bradford, Salford

This is SUPER general. You have unis in tier 3 that have world class courses (e.g the two Bournemouth unis for Film and Animation stuff, Abertay for Video Game degrees, Plymouth for Marine Science)

It is pointless to make a general table. Subject specific is the only one that matters, and even then, there is little difference in the first 15-30 in most cases. Warwick has probably the more intensive math course than Durham, but at that point it is up to the applicant to decide what best suits them since there isn't really a crystal clear choice.
All RG's are not the same infact im sure some Non RG's like Bath and St Andrews are better than most RG's especially better than QMUL, QUB, Liverpool so i dont know where you are getting 'all RG's are the same from'. The term Russel Group is very demeaning just because a uni is Russel group it doesnt mean that its good. IMO there are Oxbridge, UCL, Imperial, Warwick, LSE, notts, manchester, bristol, durham and a few others as 'top unis', then the other 'good' unis like surrey, lancaster etc.. then the 'rest'.
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