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    Oh my, 'educated' liberals strike again.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7366131.html

    Only 25% of millennials correctly identified that communism had killed 100 million people and only 37% have an 'unfavourable' view of communism.

    Perhaps it would be a good time to raise the topic of why old people shouldn't vote because they're stupid and ignorant? I believe that was the prevailing trend of the post-referendum liberal propaganda?

    Of course, it was typified by this lovely article in GQ: we should ban old people from voting and some of these lovely placards at the post-referendum protests: 'old people, please die.'

    Then again, 76% of students would ban speakers who hold views which "offend them" so I guess the real question is: who, other than 'educated liberals', is allowed to say or do anything?
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    Where to even begin with the opinionated twaddle that comprises this post.

    Communism disn't kill people. I love the idea that "uneducated" right wingers would somehow have a better grasp of 20th century world history. An utter disregard for statistics.

    Nothing to see here.
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    Where to even begin with the opinionated twaddle that comprises this post.

    Communism disn't kill people. I love the idea that "uneducated" right wingers would somehow have a better grasp of 20th century world history. An utter disregard for statistics.

    Nothing to see here.
    I'm glad this is satire.

    Harvard: 'the total approaches 100 million killed.' https://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hpcws/asreview.htm
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    (Original post by The Last Citizen)
    I'm glad this is satire.

    Harvard: 'the total approaches 100 million killed.' https://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hpcws/asreview.htm
    What, you believe you are quoting Harvard University, the institution now?

    To say communism killed 100 million people is willfully drawing no distinction between an economic and social ideology and a particular instance in which a world superpower combined a form of communism with a despotic leader as part of a brutal regime.

    Few people who proclaim themselves admirers of communism are referring to the Soviet Union's brand of communism, and if you aren't aware of that then you should be.
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    What, you believe you are quoting Harvard University, the institution now?

    To say communism killed 100 million people is willfully drawing no distinction between an economic and social ideology and a particular instance in which a world superpower combined a form of communism with a despotic leader as part of a brutal regime.

    Few people who proclaim themselves admirers of communism are referring to the Soviet Union's brand of communism, and if you aren't aware of that then you should be.
    Oh, man...you were actually serious.

    No, I believe I'm posting a link to the Harvard website and a source for the statistic, as well as a break down of the statistic. I thought that would have been patently obvious the moment you read the link.

    Yes, we know, the left is never responsible for its outcomes, the right is always responsible for its outcomes. I salute thee, Comrade; are you done rationalising?

    What's next? The National Socialist German Workers Party was actually an evil right-wing machination?
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    To say communism killed 100 million people is willfully drawing no distinction between an economic and social ideology and a particular instance in which a world superpower combined a form of communism with a despotic leader as part of a brutal regime.
    Not that particular an instance, all examples of so-called communist regimes have been built upon those foundations and naturally so. God knows how much stick it would take to make society conform to this heavenly unadulterated form of communism some people dream of, as if humans were bees or ants.
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    The kulaks deserved it.
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    (Original post by zhog)
    Not that particular an instance, all examples of so-called communist regimes have been built upon those foundations and naturally so. God knows how much stick it would take to make society conform to this heavenly unadulterated form of communism some people dream of, as if humans were bees or ants.
    List of all examples of communist societies that were not modelled significantly on the Soviet Union?
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    List of all examples of communist societies that were not modelled significantly on the Soviet Union?
    None, which was precisely my point in the first place. The Soviets patented it and there is no other brand.
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    i have a book called "The Whisperers" by my bedside, to remind me of the horrors of Communism.

    i also have "Masters of Death", to remind me of the horrors of National Socialism.
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    (Original post by The Last Citizen)
    Oh, man...you were actually serious.

    No, I believe I'm posting a link to the Harvard website and a source for the statistic, as well as a break down of the statistic. I thought that would have been patently obvious the moment you read the link.

    Yes, we know, the left is never responsible for its outcomes, the right is always responsible for its outcomes. I salute thee, Comrade; are you done rationalising?

    What's next? The National Socialist German Workers Party was actually an evil right-wing machination?
    As I've said, you are either willfully ignorant or just plain ignorant in not drawing any distinction between communist and the relatively few instances in which countries have adopted a butchered version of it.


    The only person here seeking to make sweeping statements about the left and right here is you. Take your Daily Mail standard abuse of the general population's lack of education on how statistics should be analysed with integrity and peddle it elsewhere.
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    (Original post by the bear)
    i have a book called "The Whisperers" by my bedside, to remind me of the horrors of Communism.
    Never read it. I can highly recommend The Road to Serfdom, mind you.
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    I think we should raise the voting age.
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    (Original post by zhog)
    None, which was precisely my point in the first place. The Soviets invented it and there is no other brand.
    Your post however came across as if the deaths of millions was something inherent to communism, with the tendency towards violence and abuses of power being of course inherent to people instead.
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    Anyone who thinks full blown communism is a good idea is either a moron or a whacko, or both.
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    As I've said, you are either willfully ignorant or just plain ignorant in not drawing any distinction between communist and the relatively few instances in which countries have adopted a butchered version of it.


    The only person here seeking to make sweeping statements about the left and right here is you. Take your Daily Mail standard abuse of the general population's lack of education on how statistics should be analysed with integrity and peddle it elsewhere.
    No. What we have with you is the typical, leftist logical fallacy: 'communism is defined by what it wasn't, rather than what it was.' << much like fascism, I might add, eg, the same fascism which advocated the minimum wage, 'gender equality', progressive taxation, lowering the voting age, abolishing the upper-chamber, the green movement, a hatred of laissez-faire capitalism (something Hitler and Stalin had in common) and a loathing of liberal individualism.

    I've been in this argument so many times I simply don't have the energy or inclination to repeat it.

    Ah, the ceremonial Daily Mail insult. I think that plays into another study I cited in a different thread, where a Professor drew this conclusion:

    He also noted "blissful ignorance was accompanied by a basic humility about what they did not know.” But over time he said he increasingly saw “a sense of moral superiority in not knowing anything about our ‘racist and sexist’ history and our ‘biased’ institutions.” In other words, pre-conceived notions about what they believe they're likely to read stops them from reading.

    Remember everyone: some sources just aren't worth reading; they are evil! Perhaps we could stage a book burning?
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    (Original post by offhegoes)

    Communism disn't kill people.
    neither does the fascism (whatever- Italian or German one), you forgot to add, surely?
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    Dividing people into arbitrary groups such as 'millenials' and 'baby boomers' is so ridiculously stupid it hurts my eyes everytime I see the word. But then again, I wouldn't expect anyone on the far-right to display any kind of common sense.

    and only 37% have an 'unfavourable' view of communism.
    Oh my lord imagine that, people actually. having. a. different. viewpoint. to. your. egotistical. self. GOD FORBID.

    I mean, I just cannot think of a single event where someone far-right, who hated a certain group of people, went on a rampage as well and tried to kill millions and millions of these people. I mean, I really cannot think of a single example. I mean these kids must obviously be wrong as someone who wasn't socialist would never try and kill a huge number of people.

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    Oh my God this article is from the independent, who I once thought were a decent newspaper. Nice to see them stoop to the level of daily mail trash.
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    (Original post by Cato the Elder)
    I think we should raise the voting age.
    Indeed. I say an age of 30 would do it, by then the average person would have had some actual experience of living in the real world and will have toughened up a little - 18-25 year olds still refuse to budge from their 'safe spaces'.

    I'd also go as far as banning the unemployed from voting. If you add nothing to the country, you don't get the privilege of deciding who runs it.
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    (Original post by The Last Citizen)
    No. What we have with you is the typical, leftist logical fallacy: 'communism is defined by what it wasn't, rather than what it was.' << much like fascism, I might add, eg, the same fascism which advocated the minimum wage, 'gender equality', progressive taxation, lowering the voting age, abolishing the upper-chamber, the green movement, a hatred of laissez-faire capitalism (something Hitler and Stalin had in common) and a loathing of liberal individualism.

    I've been in this argument so many times I simply don't have the energy or inclination to repeat it.

    Ah, the ceremonial Daily Mail insult. I think that plays into another study I cited in a different thread, where a Professor drew this conclusion:

    He also noted "blissful ignorance was accompanied by a basic humility about what they did not know.” But over time he said he increasingly saw “a sense of moral superiority in not knowing anything about our ‘racist and sexist’ history and our ‘biased’ institutions.” In other words, pre-conceived notions about what they believe they're likely to read stops them from reading.

    Remember everyone: some sources just aren't worth reading; they are evil! Perhaps we could stage a book burning?
    When it gets to the stage that you feel unable to trust a single statement made by a publication without undertaking research it soon becomes more time-efficient to just not waste a moment reading it.

    Much like your posts, since you seem more interested in making assumptions about my views and arguing against words that you are putting into my mouth than actually justifying why you feel that those asked for their views on communism were talking about the Soviet Union and other historic regimes rather than the ideology itself.
 
 
 
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