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Oh well, academia ain't for you then
Yep, I'd worked that out
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Oh well, academia ain't for you then

* goes back to being simple *
Hang on, a lot of academics make an absolute fortune. Ignore the 30k lecturing salaries, its having their books published where they make the real money.
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There are always jobs like mine -
same environment as academia
not even slightly competetive (the sector - administration puts 95% of the blokes off already)
the pay is reasonable (I started on £17.5k 2 and a bit yrs ago - in a few months time it's due to go up to nearly £23k)
it's a job for life (I have a letter on my desk saying the job is mine until I'm 65 :cool: )
and the holidays etc are great (same terms and conditions as academics - works out at around 45 days leave a yr including bank holidays)

plus the work is quite interesting
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Hang on, a lot of academics make an absolute fortune. Ignore the 30k lecturing salaries, its having their books published where they make the real money.
Not every academic is a superstar like the ones at Oxford Jools. There are lots of chaps who just plod out a living.

And publishing books isn't guaranteed income.
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Hang on, a lot of academics make an absolute fortune. Ignore the 30k lecturing salaries, its having their books published where they make the real money.
I wouldn't say so really - there are a lot more 'jobbing academics' than academics rolling in dough from producing books. Most academic books will produce negligible revenue for their author anyway.

Having said that, academia has paid for the life that I enjoy and it's quite good.

The starting salaries in academia are generally crap. Several institutions, initially, will only offer lecturers rolling contracts; so job security isn't great.

Once you reach the rank of Senior Lecturer - the opportunities for paid travel to attend conferences and seminars are immense though and job security is pretty much assured.

£40,000 for Senior Lecturers is tolerable.
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Top Academics do alright for themselves but it's the first ten years really, considering how clever they clearly are, the salaries do not match.
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There are lots of chaps who just plod out a living.
There are quite a few chapesses as well
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Not every academic is a superstar like the ones at Oxford Jools. There are lots of chaps who just plod out a living.

And publishing books isn't guaranteed income.
It's not an Ox thing - some of the respected academic sources are written by Professors at eg Glasgow Caledonian, East London, Hallam etc. Yeah it's nothing guaranteed; I was just directing it at Huntroyde who seems to have the capability.
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It's not an Ox thing - some of the respected academic sources are written by Professors at eg Glasgow Caledonian, East London, Hallam etc. Yeah it's nothing guaranteed; I was just directing it at Huntroyde who seems to have the capability.
If you get into academia in science/law it can be interesting/well-paid as you can get on lots of commitees/consortiums.

But I couldn't make my parents fund the early years, taking my inheritence before they're dead
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I always wanted to work in a sweetshop
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I always wanted to work in a sweetshop
At first I thought you put sweatshop...
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At first I thought you put sweatshop...
hehehe - I wasn't THAT ambitious
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I always wanted to work in a sweetshop
Ooohhh, I would be your first customer!
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Ooohhh, I would be your first customer!
Well I would have to sell the BEST sweets
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Academia won't be that difficult to get into. How many people your age want to go into academia?
Not difficult at all, you just need a First or 2i followed by a PhD. :rolleyes: That puts 99.9999% of the population out of the question.
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Not difficult at all, you just need a First or 2i followed by a PhD. :rolleyes: That puts 99.9999% of the population out of the question.
But I think a lot of people could manage a good degree and a Ph.D but it costs, so they can't...
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Not difficult at all, you just need a First or 2i followed by a PhD :rolleyes: That puts 99.9999% of the population out of the question.
* pssst Baz is going to be a Tab academic *
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Not difficult at all, you just need a First or 2i followed by a PhD. :rolleyes: That puts 99.9999% of the population out of the question.
Slightly more than that with PhDs! I mean its not difficult to "get into", i.e. there's not fierce competition. If you want to work hard and get a 1st/2.1 then PhD the door's wideopen.
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Neither is Investment Banking in that case
Erm, no. If you have a 2.1, good work experience and good extracurriculars you still have ~60 (and rising) people per place competing against you.
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Erm, no. If you have a 2.1, good work experience and good extracurriculars you still have ~60 (and rising) people per place competing against you.
Everything you do is superior.
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