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Should the tax payer fund repairs to Buckingham Palace or should the Royals pay?

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Original post by paul514
Crown estate - google

It's not difficult guys you look like idiots to anyone reading the thread who knows what it is


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yeah but they shouldn't even own it, should they
Original post by Ambitious1999
I did a part time job in the summer hols.


Yes, for yourself. And that part-time job was something that you chose to do. And when you decided you'd had enough of it, you gave it up. And during that job you were free to express your opinions, behave exactly as you wished within reason and were free to drop it to go and do something else.
Original post by paul514
It's not tax payer funded


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sorry, I meant "seized from brits many hundreds of years ago"***
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Original post by 1Trump1Brexit
"working"?
I never knew waving was work

What about those cracking Xmas day speeches though
Original post by 1Trump1Brexit
yeah but they shouldn't even own it, should they


Why?

The irony of this is given that you're a Republican, judging by your avatar you'd rather the Royal Family was forced to live in some council house whilst you elected President Trump to be our national figurehead... Or maybe you'd prefer Nigel Farage to H.R.H. Queen Elizabeth II?
Original post by 1Trump1Brexit
yeah but they shouldn't even own it, should they


But they do own it and ownership of intellectual and physical property under pins our country


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Original post by paul514
But they do own it and ownership of intellectual and physical property under pins our country


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you're comparing private property, legitimated earned via contract, and property the monarchy seized through force...
I think it's a good idea. The Queen is our head of state and the royals are a source of immense national prid and admiration form throughout the Commonwealth and the world. The restoration is needed to maintain the Palace and keep it safe for the Royal family and to attract tourism.
Oh come on amvitious is trolling you again or they are a complete idiot.
Original post by Reality Check
Why?

The irony of this is given that you're a Republican, judging by your avatar you'd rather the Royal Family was forced to live in some council house whilst you elected President Trump to be our national figurehead... Or maybe you'd prefer Nigel Farage to H.R.H. Queen Elizabeth II?


1) well, a council house would cost the tax payer money, so, no, I'm making them live in a private house.
2) trump isn't a brit
3) nigel farage in the situation of a republic would be free, like any free citizen, to contest an election
Original post by 1Trump1Brexit
you're comparing private property, legitimated earned via contract, and property the monarchy seized through force...


No I'm not and this isn't even the debate.

The fact is they legally own it and if you tried to take it they would legally need to be compensated.

The fact is the tax payer isn't funding a penny of the costs of this the royals are simply taking 25% of the revenue from their property instead of the 15% they usually take with the rest going to the treasury and that's without even mentioning the side benefits of tourism etc




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Original post by 1Trump1Brexit
1) well, a council house would cost the tax payer money, so, no, I'm making them live in a private house.
2) trump isn't a brit
3) nigel farage in the situation of a republic would be free, like any free citizen, to contest an election


Fortunately, the country isn't with you regarding republicanism. So it's all rather redundant anyway.

President Farage...:facepalm:
The Royal Family are great ambassadors for our country and contribute billions to the economy every year through tourism. I see such refurbishments as being necessary to retain our culture and heritage.
Original post by paul514
Google the crown estate the tax payer isn't paying a penny and this debate has been had many times over on this forum in the past


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I dont think that is strictly true. The refurbishment is being funded because the taxpayers representative i.e the government have decided to let the Royals keep a greater slice of the revenues from the Crown estates. I think that means we are paying, just not from direct taxation.
Original post by paul514
No I'm not and this isn't even the debate.


you made the argument though - I simply refuted it

The fact is they legally own it and if you tried to take it they would legally need to be compensated.


oh please, they're lucky they're not put under a guillotine
if you're appealing to principles of liberalism to save them, monarchy, inherited power and legal privilege isn't exactly consistent with that

The fact is the tax payer isn't funding a penny of the costs of this the royals are simply taking 25% of the revenue from their property


"their property"? - can stolen property ever belong to the thief? even hundreds of years ago? if my granddad robbed a bank and I inherited the money, am I entitled to it even though the bank has lost its money?

instead of the 15% they usually take with the rest going to the treasury and that's without even mentioning the side benefits of tourism etc


what specifically do the royals do to provoke tourism? do they appear at a certain hour each day and dance? or do they hide away from the tourists as if they don't exist? how do they bring in tourists compared to their buildings*?


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Original post by Reality Check
Fortunately, the country isn't with you regarding republicanism. So it's all rather redundant anyway.

President Farage...:facepalm:


so what? am I not allowed to make the argument?
remember back in the days where everybody wanted to remain in the EU? should farage have kept his trap shut?
Original post by 1Trump1Brexit
so what? am I not allowed to make the argument?
remember back in the days where everybody wanted to remain in the EU? should farage have kept his trap shut?

By all means make the argument but at least recognize that the overwhelming majority of this country do not share your opinions.
Original post by Reality Check
By all means make the argument but at least recognize that the overwhelming majority of this country do not share your opinions.


...are you resorting to an argument from popularity fallacy?
Talk about narrative control. The country is £1.7 trillion in debt, its paying £60bn for high speed rail, £30bn in PFI debt and £11bn ever year on foreign aid. National debt is now 90% of GDP.

Our biggest public expenditure is pensions; our unfunded pension liabilities (what the Government is committed to paying people who are already retired or still in the workforce) are currently £7 trillion. Yes, trillion. That's broaching 3x The UK's total GDP.

Never let it be said we aren't slaves to the media narrative. I'm sure The Guardian will set us on the correct course, all the while it avoids its corporation tax liability on the £600m sale of Auto Trader, hires people on zero hours contracts and paves the path to wealth and prosperity for that great socialist and man of the people, Owen Jones.
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Original post by 1Trump1Brexit
you made the argument though - I simply refuted it



oh please, they're lucky they're not put under a guillotine
if you're appealing to principles of liberalism to save them, monarchy, inherited power and legal privilege isn't exactly consistent with that



"their property"? - can stolen property ever belong to the thief? even hundreds of years ago? if my granddad robbed a bank and I inherited the money, am I entitled to it even though the bank has lost its money?



what specifically do the royals do to provoke tourism? do they appear at a certain hour each day and dance? or do they hide away from the tourists as if they don't exist? how do they bring in tourists compared to their buildings*?


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I'm not going into ever smaller minutiae to satisfy your republican hard on.

Nothing you say is relevant as it breaks all kinds of laws.

You also can't take things retrospectively if you changed the law.

This is about who pays and the answer is clearly the royals as it is less than 100% of crown estate revenue


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