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    (Original post by BlondeFunkyChic)
    I am not interested in snobbery, it doesn't matter where you do your degree...it's no different if you sat it at Oxford or Liverpool John Moores, a 2:1 is a 2:1.
    Nonsense. This is the ideal, however, it is simply a myth put forward by the government. The difference in quality between the work,teaching and honesty of our univerisities is immense - there are certain universities which provide you with a degree which, to quote a computing student of Glasgow Caledonian on his own qualification, are as useful as "going into an interview with your **** hanging out."
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    (Original post by Fluffy)
    Unfortunately this statement is not true. A 2i is not a 2i everywhere (so to speak!). it's about time UK universities standardised degree classifications...
    Definately, though this would not be possible for all courses. What should be done for the common subjects such as Law, Chemistry etc is that each university teaches a set content for at least half of the degree which is marked by an independent organisation - as our school exams are - to ensure that an 1st in whatever module is just as reputable at TVU as it is at UCL while a certain part of the degree may, if required, be covered only by the university (to allow certain university specific specialisations.)
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    The Engineering Council sorta does this
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    (Original post by shiny)
    The Engineering Council sorta does this
    Thats good to hear. It really is maddening that someone can waltz into a joke college, do FA for 3 years and then put the same letters at the end of their name as those who worked hard through 3 years at a serious university. This situation is not just opinion its a fact - I have several friends studying a computing degree at the local college. They say anyone whos done the first year of Standard Grade(GCSE) computing will be able to complete the course with their eyes closed. Several of their classmates have never passed a test or coursework yet are allowed to continue on the course heading for the qualification. To quote a friend of my fathers (a former university lecturer) in reply to being queried as to whether standards were falling: "when i started i was teaching classes of 12, now im teaching classes of 40 - what do you think?"
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    One of the reasons why engineering employers aren't quite so interested in what university you've been to but rather whether you have done an Engineering Council accredited degree or not.
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    (Original post by mathsgeek)
    no way is a 2.1 same everywhere. some courses are harder then others so why would a 2.1 be seen equal no matter where u did it. its just not right. there are people who worked really hard at top unis and got 2.2s and people who didnt work that hard at lower unis and came out with 1sts. i would take someone with a 2.2 from a top uni then a 2.1 or even 1st from a lower uni in the same subject!!
    So I guess there is no point in me going to university then? My degree is then going to be crap...jeez...thanks!
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    (Original post by BlondeFunkyChic)
    So I guess there is no point in me going to university then? My degree is then going to be crap...jeez...thanks!
    Unfortunately without a standardisation system, preconceptions (right or wrong) about the "value" of your degree maybe quite important
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    (Original post by an Siarach)
    Nonsense. This is the ideal, however, it is simply a myth put forward by the government. The difference in quality between the work,teaching and honesty of our univerisities is immense - there are certain universities which provide you with a degree which, to quote a computing student of Glasgow Caledonian on his own qualification, are as useful as "going into an interview with your **** hanging out."
    So City University in London is really a crap university? What about Middlesex? I was told the course I applied for at City University is competitive to get into and also runs the best journalist course in the country, however, I am doing Psychology and Journalism.
    Maybe I shouldn't go University then this year, maybe I should wait till next year. I am worried about my results, now I am upset I have chosen a university that offers what 'you' say 'easy' degrees?? (Its like saying private 6th forms has harder A Levels than college 6th forms). Even though they want BB and wanted two articles off me before I got onto the course, *sigh*...I don't know what to believe. I don't know why people have to put others down, yes very well there are such things as 'open universities' with their access courses, but I am doing a BA Hons...and this is a degree and people work hard for a degree in my eyes.
    But anyway...you've made me feel like a reject.
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    (Original post by shiny)
    Unfortunately without a standardisation system, preconceptions (right or wrong) about the "value" of your degree maybe quite important
    And what is the 'value' of a City degree then?

    I don't understand though, if City University is not exactly a 'great' university why does it state this on their site?:

    City’s success is demonstrated by its graduate employment record, which is one of the best in the country. We are also the sixth most popular university in the UK for student applications. Our reputation extends worldwide: of almost 10,000 City students, more than 40 per cent are international, the majority of these from outside the European Union.
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    (Original post by BlondeFunkyChic)
    So City University in London is really a crap university? What about Middlesex? I was told the course I applied for at City University is competitive to get into and also runs the best journalist course in the country, however, I am doing Psychology and Journalism.
    Maybe I shouldn't go University then this year, maybe I should wait till next year. I am worried about my results, now I am upset I have chosen a university that offers what 'you' say 'easy' degrees?? (Its like saying private 6th forms has harder A Levels than college 6th forms). Even though they want BB and wanted two articles off me before I got onto the course, *sigh*...I don't know what to believe. I don't know why people have to put others down, yes very well there are such things as 'open universities' with their access courses, but I am doing a BA Hons...and this is a degree and people work hard for a degree in my eyes.
    But anyway...you've made me feel like a reject.
    Im not saying the degrees are totally without worth, im just saying that there are varying qualities depending on the awarding university. Its not the same as with A-Levels as they are graded by the same exam boards for the nation. If individual schools marked the A-Levels for their pupils then an A at one school would not always be worth as much as an A at another.
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    (Original post by an Siarach)
    Im not saying the degrees are totally without worth, im just saying that there are varying qualities depending on the awarding university. Its not the same as with A-Levels as they are graded by the same exam boards for the nation. If individual schools marked the A-Levels for their pupils then an A at one school would not always be worth as much as an A at another.
    Right, I understand now. But City is the 6th best university in the country...it says on their website.
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    (Original post by BlondeFunkyChic)
    Right, I understand now. But City is the 6th best university in the country...it says on their website.
    That is absolutely untrue - universities often twist various statistics to make themselves appear in the best light. It must be something quite obscure for them to credit themselves with something so blatantly untrue.
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    (Original post by BlondeFunkyChic)
    Right, I understand now. But City is the 6th best university in the country...it says on their website.
    City University is not a crap university, there are better ones and there are worse ones IMO. They can say what they like on their website though, beware of biases.
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    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,716,00.html

    Never rely on a university for the facts on their position. As the times tables show, City is rated 55th - not bad at all, but certainly not 6th.
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    (Original post by an Siarach)
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,716,00.html

    Never rely on a university for the facts on their position. As the times tables show, City is rated 55th - not bad at all, but certainly not 6th.

    They be should reported for such a lie then on their website. However, I am not bothered...you are always going to get a university that is better than the one you end up at. I doubt everyone on these boards are going to Oxbridge.
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    (Original post by BlondeFunkyChic)
    They should reported for such a lie then on their website. However, I am not bothered...you are always going to get a university that is better than the one you end up at. I doubt everyone on these boards are going to Oxbridge.
    I doubt its an outright lie though some universities have been known to use such. Most likely City will be ranked top 6 for a certain subject, and ambiguous wording gives the impression theyre top 6 overall.
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    (Original post by an Siarach)
    I doubt its an outright lie though some universities have been known to use such. Most likely City will be ranked top 6 for a certain subject, and ambiguous wording gives the impression theyre top 6 overall.
    Yes, it does seem somewhat ambigious...I think I may contact them asking how they have come about being the 6th best university when they are 55 in the league table (which I still think is good), it probably is for a particular subject but twisted the words somewhat.
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    (Original post by BlondeFunkyChic)
    it probably is for a particular subject but twisted the words somewhat.
    But if you are studying that particular subject which they are 6th for isn't that better than going for overall rank?
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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    But if you are studying that particular subject which they are 6th for isn't that better than going for overall rank?
    Well during the open day, the lecturer who actually spoke to us said they are the best in the country for journalism...and this was extremely appealing to me. Although, he may not be telling the truth?
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    It says on the website that they're
    UK's 6th rated university for employability
    , which is different to being 6 in the league tables. Doesn't say a source though.
 
 
 
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