At what point will we say Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial, LSE or UCL as being as good?

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At what point will we say Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial, LSE or UCL as being as good as each other?
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I don't think that will ever happen. Oxford and Cambridge will always be seen as best simply because they're older.
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I don't think that will ever happen. Oxford and Cambridge will always be seen as best simply because they're older.
Not sure I agree with that. UCL will overtake Oxbridge at some point financially (they are above Oxford already). That could lead to a change of guard.
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Not sure I agree with that. UCL will overtake Oxbridge at some point financially (they are above Oxford already). That could lead to a change of guard.
Financially they may overtake them, and they may even be placed above them in league tables. That still won't change people's perceptions, though. People will always be more impressed if you say you go to Oxford/Cambridge than UCL/LSE/ICL.
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Financially they may overtake them, and they may even be placed above them in league tables. That still won't change people's perceptions, though. People will always be more impressed if you say you go to Oxford/Cambridge than UCL/LSE/ICL.
If UCL overtakes Oxbridge in every single major league table (nationally and internationally), and is seen as the number 1 premier research university in the UK, that has to count for something. The best professors may switch to UCL, as might the best students.
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If UCL overtakes Oxbridge in every single major league table (nationally and internationally), and is seen as the number 1 premier research university in the UK, that has to count for something. The best professors may switch to UCL, as might the best students.
UCL already beats Oxford in some tables.

But it doesn't matter. No one really cares what league tables say. There are plenty of universities that are already above Oxbridge in league tables, but that doesn't make me think that they are better or more prestigious than Oxbridge.

It's all about perception, and there's very little that can be done to actually change perception.
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UCL is nowhere near oxbridge just yet and i highly doubt it will. When you look at the value of the final degree, you have much more opportunities open to you with an oxbridge (Perhaps Imperial too, maybe LSE but only in some aspects) than a UCL degree regardless of the finance.
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(Original post by burt.)
UCL is nowhere near oxbridge just yet and i highly doubt it will. When you look at the value of the final degree, you have much more opportunities open to you with an oxbridge (Perhaps Imperial too, maybe LSE but only in some aspects) than a UCL degree regardless of the finance.
UCL can outpunch Oxbridge if it mirrors the tutorial system of teaching on top of all the other developments.
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University of London (pre imperial independence) > Oxbridge
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(Original post by burt.)
UCL is nowhere near oxbridge just yet and i highly doubt it will. When you look at the value of the final degree, you have much more opportunities open to you with an oxbridge (Perhaps Imperial too, maybe LSE but only in some aspects) than a UCL degree regardless of the finance.
Much more? Not really. Let's take Investment Banking as an example.
All those unis you mentioned are 'target' universities for investment banking, along with Warwick.
Now look at the % of total class going to each university in the London analyst classes...
And you also need to consider investment banking is perhaps the most competitive major career field.


I agree that those four institutions, as it stands, are all 'better' than UCL. You do have to consider though that the the first two London unis you mentioned are specialised and offer few courses, whereas UCL offers 200+ different undergrad degree programmes.
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King's College surpassed Oxbridge decades ago
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IMO, UCL is better than LSE.

Older, More Nobel prize Laureates, more research, more money, more variety of courses.

Come on LSE sympathisers, feed me your tears
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IMO, UCL is better than LSE.

Older, More Nobel prize Laureates, more research, more money, more variety of courses.

Come on LSE sympathisers, feed me your tears
LSE is a bit more prestigious, but not necessarily better.
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King's College surpassed Oxbridge decades ago
You're just trolling.
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Are you a UCL student?
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You're just trolling.
I know, fam
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Are you a UCL student?
No, I'm a medical applicant to UCL and Imperial.
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UCL are far to lenient to make them ever get close to the others imo, Top uni but noticeably worse than the other 2.
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In which tables are UCL ranked hugher than Oxbridge. Linky.
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(Original post by GradeA*UnderA)
No, I'm a medical applicant to UCL and Imperial.
I meant the OP, but ok.
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