At what point will we say Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial, LSE or UCL as being as good?

Much more? Not really. Let's take Investment Banking as an example.
All those unis you mentioned are 'target' universities for investment banking, along with Warwick.
Now look at the % of total class going to each university in the London analyst classes...
And you also need to consider investment banking is perhaps the most competitive major career field.


I agree that those four institutions, as it stands, are all 'better' than UCL. You do have to consider though that the the first two London unis you mentioned are specialised and offer few courses, whereas UCL offers 200+ different undergrad degree programmes.

UCL can outpunch Oxbridge if it mirrors the tutorial system of teaching on top of all the other developments.

lol an oxbridge degree is significantly better than a UCL or a warwick degree for investment banking. Oxbridge IBers rack up 20 offers or so for IBD spring internship programmes easily whereas UCL and Warwick are fighting for one. You clearly have no clue if you think that an investment bank looks at an oxbridge degree and a ucl or warwick degree at the same level.

Also, Quantity>>>>Quality



Your argument is completely presumptuous, also i dont think you quite understand how much better an oxbridge facility is compared to UCL, UCL is far far away.

Not all Oxbridge degrees are worth the same, and some subjects are obscure and will not be looked at favourably by any top employer.

Well in investment banking the degree subject doesnt matter. I know some who did fine art at oxford and got 8 offers.

You really should do some research before pretending to know your stuff.

I have worked in industry for several years. How many years have you worked? Also I have attended UCL. Where have you been?

Well that explains everything.

Where are all these tables showing UCL ranking top?

I have worked in industry for several years. How many years have you worked? Also I have attended UCL. Where have you been?

lol an oxbridge degree is significantly better than a UCL or a warwick degree for investment banking. Oxbridge IBers rack up 20 offers or so for IBD spring internship programmes easily whereas UCL and Warwick are fighting for one. You clearly have no clue if you think that an investment bank looks at an oxbridge degree and a ucl or warwick degree at the same level.

You didnt even know that degree course is irrelevant for investment banking so, as i said, go do your research. Me telling you my credentials wont change the fact that you're clueless when it comes to investment banking.

Never said they were equal at any point, just said this gap for graduate opportunities isn't quite as large as you make it out to be

Also any source on that stat? I assume not, but just in case.

I already knew that for many graduates entry roles they do not specify a degree subject, but not everyone will apply to these. I have indeed looked at recruitment in leading investment banks several years ago. You may be able to apply, and get passed the online tests, but you still have to pass the interviews, and they do ask about your university and degree subject then.

But that's not true at all. Whilst they're all considered targets, oxbridge does have a large advantage over the others (well perhaps not imperial but thats because they usually go to the S&T side of things)
The reason why the stats suggest there isnt much disparity is because of the large volume of UCL/Warwick students. Oxbridge students do have a better chance because of their degree but overall their whole application does matter.

My source is my visits to numerous investment banks through spring week programmes and networking with investment bankers. Looking at the internet for your information is unreliable and doesnt quite give as good a picture as visting these banks yourself.

Why do you make out that investment banking is the be all and end all? Most top graduates don't want to go into this field. Personally, I see politics, TV and journalism as more attractive as careers.

So your knowledge of the recruitment process is pretty outdated. Some of these investment banks are actively encouraging people from non traditional and less quantitive backgrounds to apply because of they want good minds, not just any old economist or mathematician.

And where do you think they actively recruit to get the smartest and most capable bankers? Oxbridge.