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The big question is whether most lawyers earn this much. I'm not talking about Clifford Chance - they are not the place where most law grads end up.
There are around 1000 training contracts awarded each year in med - large firms in London alone, this is a significant proportion of all training contracts available each year!
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Medicine would be simpler in the UK, in that due to quotas for students, you have a better guarantee of getting a job.
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There are around 1000 training contracts awarded each year in med - large firms in London alone, this is a significant proportion of all training contracts available each year!
Indeed, if you get a First/2:1 Law Degree from a top tier law school (Oxbridge, KCL, UCL, LSE, Durham, Bristol, Warwick, Nottingham)...and end up working in your provincial High Street firm of solicitors - something has gone awry.
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Indeed, if you get a First/2:1 Law Degree from a top tier law school (Oxbridge, KCL, UCL, LSE, Durham, Bristol, Warwick, Nottingham)...and end up working in your provincial High Street firm of solicitors - something has gone awry.
:eek: My GOO!!! we agree on an issue???
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I would say that the "serious money" bracket (£150,000 +) is frequented by a lot more lawyers (barristers, partners of medium-sized firms) than medics.

We're not even talking about Queen's Counsels or lawyers working in MC firms to earn this much either, it can be achieved at several practices (nationwide, too) or by a pretty (but not overly) successful barrister.
Thanks for that. That is what I had suspected. You seem to know a fair bit about law - if so do you know anything about medical law - it could be an option. By this I mean:
Medical degree and then a conversion course or practice mad then move over?
Pay - important
Firms to contact that would be prepared to offer advice and a possible placement at some point
Thanks for any advice.
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Thanks for that. That is what I had suspected. You seem to know a fair bit about law - if so do you know anything about medical law - it could be an option. By this I mean:
Medical degree and then a conversion course or practice mad then move over?
Pay - important
Firms to contact that would be prepared to offer advice and a possible placement at some point
Thanks for any advice.
Let me put my hands up and say that I know nothing about the particulars of medical law.

I have done quite a lot of personal research into law careers per se, but couldn't advise you in this regard. The research that I have done into law careers has been firmly focused on the Bar too.

Have a look at the Law Careers Advice Network pages, it is a very useful resource.
http://www.lcan.org.uk

I wouldn't think that shifting straight to the CPE (and then LPC presumably) after qualifying as a medic would leave you in any way disadvantaged - this may be preferable.
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Thanks, mobbdeeprob. I will look into that link.
What stage are you at on the careers ladder - btw?
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Thanks, mobbdeeprob. I will look into that link.
What stage are you at on the careers ladder - btw?
Upper Sixth form in September, plus I'm scrabbling around for a bit of menial labour in the meantime - but having no luck.

I am serious about going into law and would ideally like to do an LLB at Oxford/UCL/LSE.
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Upper Sixth form in September, plus I'm scrabbling around for a bit of menial labour in the meantime - but having no luck.

I am serious about going into law and would ideally like to do an LLB at Oxford/UCL/LSE.
Good luck. Go for Oxford - If I get my grades i may even see you there!!
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Good luck. Go for Oxford - If I get my grades i may even see you there!!
Thank you - and I hope that all goes well for you on that critical day.

I'm expecting an elated PM from you, sometime later this month or early next, to tell me the good news.

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probably made mind up already however is there any guys/girls who are in either profession with more insight than me and can give me some tips on;

how intense is the comparative studies? not looking to take it easy just a simple question!

working wage in ist yr after CPE/in house Dr?

specialisms and career pathways in racism?/ neurosurgery?

potential earning is either?

(if anybody has maybe experienced both profs can give me a brief/specific cross analysis of eathother)

just looking for any info or advice for either
thanks guys
TBH, it sounds like you're just interested in going for what earns the most and aren't really sure what you want to do. There are many options outside being a lawyer/doctor, so don't do either for the wrong reason. The 2 career paths differ quite abit for obvious reasons and the fact that you're attempting to decide between either is very odd indeed, as most people who have a passion for it, are more orientated say towards biology and sciency stuff for medics in particular. If you don't have a passion for either , then you won't be getting far...
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If it's earning you're after, med is NOT the career for you. In comparison to the training, hours, stress, responsibility etc etc, doctors are paid a relatively modest salary - admittedly comfortable, but certainly not 'high' in comparison to city careers. Salaries for juniors are also going to drop due to the EWTD and there's a possibility of losing the free accommo in the pre-reg year (which is a good financial 'perk' at the moment).

A medical degree alone is a nightmare if your heart is really not in the vocation. I can't imagine practising as a doctor it's not what you really want to do.
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Medicine would be simpler in the UK, in that due to quotas for students, you have a better guarantee of getting a job.
Hmmm, not really. Alot of people I know who didn't do law just went on to do law conversion courses. Basically after the 3 year law course you need to do a 2 year thingummy (internship or something) before you are a lawyer. If you didn't study law you do 3 years instead. So basically you only do 1 year more.

That said, there are 4 reasons to do medicine
1) calling
2) women
3) power
4) money

money = power, and women tend to follow money. Hence if you want money, women power, you'll be best off heading to law.

Me? I want power, I'm WHO bound
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But doctors are just so attractive
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But doctors are just so attractive
You've clearly never met my GP.
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lol... fair enough - perhaps a slight overstatement

However, there is just something about some of the younger male doctors.
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ha, quite the opposite bosslady, after spending 2 deferred years during university supporting both my girlfriend and my mother , i was given a reality check into how much money i needed to survive in this big old real world;

its just a habit i spose now when im interested in anything,

and where do you get your basis to make such deductions about me (ha) and my reasons for doing something?!! was it from my following quote?

BEATNIK;
so has anyone made this decision before between the two, how do you choose if part of you is intrigued and blinded by the science
forget about the money or the social implications of both fields for a min plz?
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probably made mind up already however is there any guys/girls who are in either profession with more insight than me and can give me some tips on;

how intense is the comparative studies? not looking to take it easy just a simple question!

working wage in ist yr after CPE/in house Dr?

specialisms and career pathways in racism?/ neurosurgery?

potential earning is either?

(if anybody has maybe experienced both profs can give me a brief/specific cross analysis of eathother)

just looking for any info or advice for either
thanks guys
I'd go for medicine (if I were bright enough......which I'm not) as there are too many lawyers out there. Sure, some earn a stack of cash but remember, for every hot shot Barrister on $600/hr there are 100 spending their days resolving child custody cases paid for by legal aid.
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