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I can't think of any examples in the past. All Google searches are flooded with Art 50 which is still pending
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You've already posted this in Law Study Help.
Would be nice to know your thoughts first, don't just drop a question then leave.
Would be nice to know your thoughts first, don't just drop a question then leave.
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(Original post by Mimir)
You've already posted this in Law Study Help.
Would be nice to know your thoughts first, don't just drop a question then leave.
You've already posted this in Law Study Help.
Would be nice to know your thoughts first, don't just drop a question then leave.
I'm interested in the procedural nature behind withdrawal, namely whether it is (mainly) an Executive or Parliamentary duty. Primary sources like government publications only ever refer to the prerogative as having the ability to make and ratify treaties. There is never any information pertaining to withdrawal.
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(Original post by Rust Cohle)
I can't think of any examples in the past. All Google searches are flooded with Art 50 which is still pending
I can't think of any examples in the past. All Google searches are flooded with Art 50 which is still pending
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(Original post by Connor27)
The UK withdrew from the League of Nations in the late 30s, therefore we technically withdrew from the treaty of Versailles.
The UK withdrew from the League of Nations in the late 30s, therefore we technically withdrew from the treaty of Versailles.
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(Original post by Rust Cohle)
I can't think of any examples in the past. All Google searches are flooded with Art 50 which is still pending
I can't think of any examples in the past. All Google searches are flooded with Art 50 which is still pending
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There have been 459 treaties signed just since the Anglo-Irish treaty, I imagine at least one with have been withdrawn from, but from what I've randomly looked at so far they've either terminated according to the terms set out, the other party/parties have withdrawn, or they are still outstanding.
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If the real agenda behind Brexit is about going-it-alone and not pooling sovereignty, it's puzzling that the Brexiteers don't make more of a fuss about NATO, the World Trade Organisation, the UN, UNESCO and World Bank, the IMF, the World Food Programme and the European Space Agency, to name but a few other major international bodies that the UK is a signatory to and shares at least some sovereign decision making with.
Perhaps the UN is a shining beacon of all that is democratic and NATO is faultlessly and perfectly logical, coherent and accountable? That must be the reason why these bodies do not attract the horror of the likes of Gove, Johnson, Farage and the ludicrous Mr Rees-Mogg, not to mention the Sun, the Mail and the Telegraph.
Perhaps the UN is a shining beacon of all that is democratic and NATO is faultlessly and perfectly logical, coherent and accountable? That must be the reason why these bodies do not attract the horror of the likes of Gove, Johnson, Farage and the ludicrous Mr Rees-Mogg, not to mention the Sun, the Mail and the Telegraph.
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(Original post by Rust Cohle)
I can't think of any examples in the past. All Google searches are flooded with Art 50 which is still pending
I can't think of any examples in the past. All Google searches are flooded with Art 50 which is still pending
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
If the real agenda behind Brexit is about going-it-alone and not pooling sovereignty, it's puzzling that the Brexiteers don't make more of a fuss about NATO, the World Trade Organisation, the UN, UNESCO and World Bank, the IMF, the World Food Programme and the European Space Agency, to name but a few other major international bodies that the UK is a signatory to and shares at least some sovereign decision making with.
Perhaps the UN is a shining beacon of all that is democratic and NATO is faultlessly and perfectly logical, coherent and accountable? That must be the reason why these bodies do not attract the horror of the likes of Gove, Johnson, Farage and the ludicrous Mr Rees-Mogg, not to mention the Sun, the Mail and the Telegraph.
If the real agenda behind Brexit is about going-it-alone and not pooling sovereignty, it's puzzling that the Brexiteers don't make more of a fuss about NATO, the World Trade Organisation, the UN, UNESCO and World Bank, the IMF, the World Food Programme and the European Space Agency, to name but a few other major international bodies that the UK is a signatory to and shares at least some sovereign decision making with.
Perhaps the UN is a shining beacon of all that is democratic and NATO is faultlessly and perfectly logical, coherent and accountable? That must be the reason why these bodies do not attract the horror of the likes of Gove, Johnson, Farage and the ludicrous Mr Rees-Mogg, not to mention the Sun, the Mail and the Telegraph.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
I don't think we've ever dumped an international body we had previously signed up to. We've modified international treaties in the past, by agreement.
I don't think we've ever dumped an international body we had previously signed up to. We've modified international treaties in the past, by agreement.
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...38359/7952.pdf
see pages 122-4
The upshot was that the Western European Union was brought to an end.
SEATO was wound up in 1977 although the Manilla Treaty remains in force
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...9770302_HOC_89
CENTO collapsed in 1979 when only the UK and USA were left as members
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...9790320_HOC_80
The UK withdrew from UNESCO in 1984 and rejoined on 1st July 1997
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...970625_HOC_171
We gave notice to leave EFTA on 31st December 1971 (under the prerogative and with no Parliamentary approval-this was an exact analog of Article 50)
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/l...711111_HOL_101
The International Tin Council collapsed in the late 1980s
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/w...900116_CWA_352
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(Original post by nulli tertius)
I previously posted that we formally denounced the Brussels Treaty in 2010 (it seems the Queen personally denounces treaties)
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...38359/7952.pdf
see pages 122-4
The upshot was that the Western European Union was brought to an end.
SEATO was wound up in 1977 although the Manilla Treaty remains in force
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...9770302_HOC_89
CENTO collapsed in 1979 when only the UK and USA were left as members
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...9790320_HOC_80
The UK withdrew from UNESCO in 1984 and rejoined on 1st July 1997
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...970625_HOC_171
We gave notice to leave EFTA on 31st December 1971 (under the prerogative and with no Parliamentary approval-this was an exact analog of Article 50)
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/l...711111_HOL_101
The International Tin Council collapsed in the late 1980s
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/w...900116_CWA_352
I previously posted that we formally denounced the Brussels Treaty in 2010 (it seems the Queen personally denounces treaties)
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...38359/7952.pdf
see pages 122-4
The upshot was that the Western European Union was brought to an end.
SEATO was wound up in 1977 although the Manilla Treaty remains in force
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...9770302_HOC_89
CENTO collapsed in 1979 when only the UK and USA were left as members
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...9790320_HOC_80
The UK withdrew from UNESCO in 1984 and rejoined on 1st July 1997
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...970625_HOC_171
We gave notice to leave EFTA on 31st December 1971 (under the prerogative and with no Parliamentary approval-this was an exact analog of Article 50)
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/l...711111_HOL_101
The International Tin Council collapsed in the late 1980s
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/w...900116_CWA_352
The stand out one to my mind was the 1985 withdrawal from UNESCO, which was a huge mistake and was another piece of hard right wing subjection to US interests - triggered in this country by the Thatcher government during one of its more intense periods of fawning upon Reagan. They concocted a bunch of lies about alleged mismanagement at the organisation which turned out to be mostly incorrect when properly analysed.
Very similar to our withdrawal from the EU, which is basically about fawning on Rupert Murdoch and M'Luds Rothermere, Dacre, Ashcroft and Farage in relation to a wholly distorted political agenda based mainly on lies and fabrications.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
Yes, I said "dumped" and "other than by agreement" - most of those declined or were ended by mutual agreement.
The stand out one to my mind was the 1985 withdrawal from UNESCO, which was a huge mistake and was another piece of hard right wing subjection to US interests - triggered in this country by the Thatcher government during one of its more intense periods of fawning upon Reagan. They concocted a bunch of lies about alleged mismanagement at the organisation which turned out to be mostly incorrect when properly analysed.
Very similar to our withdrawal from the EU, which is basically about fawning on Rupert Murdoch and M'Luds Rothermere, Dacre, Ashcroft and Farage in relation to a wholly distorted political agenda based mainly on lies and fabrications.
Yes, I said "dumped" and "other than by agreement" - most of those declined or were ended by mutual agreement.
The stand out one to my mind was the 1985 withdrawal from UNESCO, which was a huge mistake and was another piece of hard right wing subjection to US interests - triggered in this country by the Thatcher government during one of its more intense periods of fawning upon Reagan. They concocted a bunch of lies about alleged mismanagement at the organisation which turned out to be mostly incorrect when properly analysed.
Very similar to our withdrawal from the EU, which is basically about fawning on Rupert Murdoch and M'Luds Rothermere, Dacre, Ashcroft and Farage in relation to a wholly distorted political agenda based mainly on lies and fabrications.
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(Original post by nulli tertius)
I think the UNESCO withdrawal was a good thing although arguably we stayed out too long. Left wing governments were tweaking the West's nose through the pollicisation of the various UN agencies that the West was funding. The FAO was a worse case than UNESCO but it is easier to pull out of the promotion of Upper Voltan folksong than feeding the starving.
I think the UNESCO withdrawal was a good thing although arguably we stayed out too long. Left wing governments were tweaking the West's nose through the pollicisation of the various UN agencies that the West was funding. The FAO was a worse case than UNESCO but it is easier to pull out of the promotion of Upper Voltan folksong than feeding the starving.
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