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    Should 16 year olds have the right to vote? Any views welcome, although please give reasons rather than just yes/no answers.
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    It's a tough question. I think that many people would argue that a 16 year old would be less responsible and knowledgeable, and so might not be able to make well informed decisions. However, I don't think many 18 year olds (or a lot of older adults) would pass those criteria. I think a more compelling argument to deny the vote to 16 year olds is that they are often still developing physically, in both their body and brain.

    Edit: Also, I don't think it'd do much good for turnout.
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    (Original post by Fleff)
    Should 16 year olds have the right to vote? Any views welcome, although please give reasons rather than just yes/no answers.
    Yes, and they must also be allowed to stand as parliamentary candidates / councillors etc, where the current age limit is 21

    We currently have the odd case that the age limits on various things are out of proportion.

    At 21:
    • Stand as a candidate in an election
    • Buy hardcore porn
    • Probably some other things I don't know about


    At 18:
    • Purchase Alcohol
    • Vote
    • Marriage without parental permission
    • Legally bind yourself via contracts


    At 17:
    • Drive a car


    At 16:
    • Have sex
    • Work
    • Marriage with parental permission
    • Join the armed forces
    • Ride 50cc moped things
    • Control over your own affairs
    • Lottery tickets
    • Smoking


    As you pay taxes at 16 if you work then it would be a logical argument to state that 16yo should be able to vote, as there should not be taxation without representation.
    In my opinion it makes no sense that you can sign-up for the army at 16 but not drink till 18. It makes no sense that you can have sex at 16, but have to be 21 to buy a DVD of other people having sex.
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    Thinking about it, turning 16 makes a fair few things legal, such as sex, and buying cigarettes. So why not give them the vote? 16 year olds that don't go into further education and get a job instead can either benefit/suffer from political changes to do with work. If this is the case, then surely they should have some say in it? Can you see where I'm coming from?

    (I probably haven't worded that very well, but I'm trying to stem the flow of blood from my nose, so I can't concentrate very well...)

    EDIT: Basically what the person who posted before me said :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Fleff)
    Should 16 year olds have the right to vote? Any views welcome, although please give reasons rather than just yes/no answers.

    I honestly have to say that if all my classmates would have been allowed to vote at the age of 16 I would be pretty scared. At 16 most people are in the middle of puberty and have all these hormons running around. I doubt that is a good time to start voting at. personally I would almost favour raising the voting age til 21. What about letting people between 16 and 21 vote, but having their votes count only half as much as votes above 21 ?
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    (Original post by Fleff)
    Thinking about it, turning 16 makes a fair few things legal, such as sex, and buying cigarettes. So why not give them the vote? 16 year olds that don't go into further education and get a job instead can either benefit/suffer from political changes to do with work. If this is the case, then surely they should have some say in it? Can you see where I'm coming from?

    (I probably haven't worded that very well, but I'm trying to stem the flow of blood from my nose, so I can't concentrate very well...)

    EDIT: Basically what the person who posted before me said :rolleyes:
    I definitely think the age for tobacco should be moved up to 18.

    Anyone in education is effected by political changes too you know. Also, for half the people who work from 16 the next general election wouldn't be until after they were 18 anyway.

    While we're talking about the right to vote; should people in prison be allowed to vote?
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    (Original post by dave134)
    It makes no sense that you can have sex at 16, but have to be 21 to buy a DVD of other people having sex.
    Are you sure you are not allowed to have sex bellow 16? I thought you were allowed to have sex, only that noone above 16 were allowed to have sex with you. At least thats how it works in Norway and Sweden
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    If they start teaching more about general politics at school then maybe but right now everyone would just vote the same as thier parents-if at all. I don't think that 16 year olds follow politics and know enough about it to vote but saying that many adults don't either!
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    (Original post by Fleff)
    Should 16 year olds have the right to vote? Any views welcome, although please give reasons rather than just yes/no answers.
    It doesnt make sense that 16 year olds have to pay tax when they are not allowed to vote. :confused:
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    (Original post by Jonatan)
    I honestly have to say that if all my classmates would have been allowed to vote at the age of 16 I would be pretty scared. At 16 most people are in the middle of puberty and have all these hormons running around. I doubt that is a good time to start voting at. personally I would almost favour raising the voting age til 21. What about letting people between 16 and 21 vote, but having their votes count only half as much as votes above 21 ?
    By doing that you are defining some members of society to be worth less than others. The mentally ill do not lose their right to vote unless detained in a secure facility under various sections in the Mental Health Acts (i.e. have been "sectioned")

    Regardless of the individuals you may have met, there are a few important principles that I feel should define who can vote quite easily.

    To vote you must be:

    1.) Resident in the constituancy, either literally or formally for the likes of service personnel and merchant seamen etc.

    2.) Sane. This is provided for already in the Representation of the People Act 2000

    3.) Physical disability notwithstanding, capable of work, i.e. liable for taxation.

    If an age group is defined as children then they must be kept in education or looked after on a full time basis (for the very young) They have no rights of their own, and are to be considered financially, and emotionally dependant on their parents/guardians.

    As soon as education is optional, and they could go out to work, they must either have the right to vote, or be exempt from all taxation, including such indirect taxation as VAT. Currently a 16yo can quit school and find themselves a job.

    Assuming they are lucky and find a £15k pa job, they can rent their own flat, paying council tax, and pay income tax, and pay VAT on all the items they purchase. This leaves them paying for government services that they have to control over.
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    (Original post by Llamas)
    While we're talking about the right to vote; should people in prison be allowed to vote?
    Whilst in prison, I feel they should not have a vote, as they are being punished. Their rights to liberty and freedom of association have been taken away from them, so I feel that losing the right to vote is acceptable in those circumstances.

    What is important though is that at the end of their sentance their voting rights are restored. A life sentance would not entail you ever restoring your right to vote, as lifers released early are only out on parole and can be recalled to prison for various reasons.
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    (Original post by Llamas)
    I think a more compelling argument to deny the vote to 16 year olds is that they are often still developing physically, in both their body and brain.

    Edit: Also, I don't think it'd do much good for turnout.
    Would you deny someone with a mental age of 15 but is physically 30 such a right? It may not do something for turnout just yet, it may see an increase in rise of votes gradually but nothing spectacular. I forget what happened with German manicupal (sp?) elections where 16 year olds were entitled to vote, I believe it was a slight rise in turnout.

    (Original post by dave134)
    As you pay taxes at 16 if you work then it would be a logical argument to state that 16yo should be able to vote, as there should not be taxation without representation.
    In my opinion it makes no sense that you can sign-up for the army at 16 but not drink till 18. It makes no sense that you can have sex at 16, but have to be 21 to buy a DVD of other people having sex.
    It's 18 to be in pornography films, to be consistent with sex it should really be 16. As for drink you can drink under the age of 18, just not purchase it in shops. There are differences with restaurants and your own home. I think you cannot get a mortgage on your house until your 21 or something. :confused: Also there were silly rules for the motorbikes on what cc you can have at what age. Not sure if they have updated this but last time I looked I had to be like 20 or so to ride a Honda Goldwing (like those police motorbikes) but 17 to go in a Lambourghini Diablo, which is at least twice the CC of the motorbike!

    It makes you wonder what do we mean by adulthood?

    In the answer to the question I think you should vote when you're 16. Heck you can go in the army at that age!
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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    Would you deny someone with a mental age of 15 but is physically 30 such a right? .
    Very good point.
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    (Original post by dave134)
    By doing that you are defining some members of society to be worth less than others.
    No, you are merely stating that their political opinion is not to be weighted equally high as that of older people. It doesnt say anything about the "value" of the person. If implementing a scheme were 16 to 21 year olds had half of normal voting power would be unnacceptable by your argument, then surely it would apply to not allowing them to vote as well, no ? If, today 16 year olds are not allowed to vote, then surely you are not more discriminating against them by granting them an extra half vote are you? What you are doing is to define the OPINION of some peopel to be worth less than others, which is perfectly fine. This is done almost everywhere ( the opinion of the prime minister is worth more than the opinion of a truck driver when it comes to the taxation level). You are merely distributing the decisive power in a different way than before.
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    I think that at 16 people should have the right to vote. I know for a fact that many people wouldn't vote but I would and so would many of my friends. I think that I should be able to have a say in society, I mean I do get taxed on what I earn and think that I should have a right to vote where I want that money to go.
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    personally, i think it shouldnt change to 16.

    yes, people do get more freedom at 16 but they're only pretend, come on buying a lottery ticket isnt a very big privalidge - your not going to win big money so its a valuble lesson that gambling doesnt work before you actually have any serious money to spend on it. as for paying taxes....im nearly 19 and stil havnt paid a penny...if these days your stupid enough not to take what free education is passing your way, then i dont really think polotics is going to intrest you, and personally i dont want your opinion let alone make it matter. as for sex and marridge, and the whole "you can have a family" argument. yes you can, but of those people who think they are fully ready to take that responsibility at 16 most probably were at an earlier age. so the way i see it, 16 yr olds are given a pretend section of responsibility...but you dont realise it until your 18.

    ive never heard anyone say "now that were 16 smoking isnt fun" but ive heard plenty of 18 yr olds saying it about drinking.

    18 you get real responsibility. its your choice how your future turns out and you should be able to give your opinion on it.

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    (Original post by ickle_katy)
    18 you get real responsibility. its your choice how your future turns out and you should be able to give your opinion on it.
    Yeah but you get 18 year olds not treating that responsibility wisely and many times abuse it. You don't really have all the biggest responsibilities until you're 21 really IMO.
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    But lets says that you do work! Wouldn't you like a say in how you are treated by your employer. If we'd have had a referendum on University Fees shouldn't the people who it affects have a say.

    If people are not responsible or just don't care enough at 16 then they won't vote. But if you do care I think its wrong that you should be denied to have an input in the way your society is governed.
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    (Original post by Scottus_Mus)
    But lets says that you do work! Wouldn't you like a say in how you are treated by your employer.
    how is the vote going to change how your treated by your employer...and the 2 years that you going to have to wait till you can vote is much less than you'll have to wait for the change


    If we'd have had a referendum on University Fees shouldn't the people who it affects have a say.
    why restrict it to 16...that would mean only the bare minimum of those afftected would get a say, its the 10-14 year olds who are going to be most effected by the issue. are you honestly saying you would give 10 year olds the right to vote?

    If people are not responsible or just don't care enough at 16 then they won't vote. But if you do care I think its wrong that you should be denied to have an input in the way your society is governed.
    your not being denied an imput, your just not being alowed to vote yet, you can stil offer the party of your choice your time/enthusiasm/support..you could even pressurise members of your family to vote for your party (which is what i made my dad do when i wasnt old enough to vote) and ok, i dont know for a fact that he used his vote for my opinion but i doubt he didnt.

    the way i look at it, by putting the age of driving at 17, they arnt saying that an 18 year old is any better a prospective driver than a 16 year old, they're just saying there has to be a limit and 17 is as good as any other.

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    I personally don't think there is anything that you shouldn't be allowed to do at 16. Voteing included. We are going to need all the younger voters that we can get when the grey lobby comes into full force as the baby boomers retire.
 
 
 
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