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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    Yeah but you get 18 year olds not treating that responsibility wisely and many times abuse it. You don't really have all the biggest responsibilities until you're 21 really IMO.
    i half agree. i compleetly agree that 18's dont use the responsibility's wisely and do abuse it, but i think thats half the process of becoming an adult. you can only learn from your own mistakes. and id prefer to learn them now, whilst im stil within my parents glaring eye but pretening to stand on my own two feet rather than when i was stil living at home.

    i dont agree with 21 being when you get "big responsibilities" i think that you get them when you want them. my sister is 21 and is in exactly the same situation as me. she'll be 25 when she leaves uni and has to learn to stand on her own two feet...which is when i belive you get you big responsibilities...but many people stil live with their parents until they are 30...

    me, i'll be 20 when i leave uni and will have to face it all then.

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    Can't you get a house and some finance stuff until you're 21? I don't know because I'm not 21
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    no 16 year olds should not have the right to vote .. however they should also not pay taxes otherwise it is taxation without representation. bang out of order!
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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    Can't you get a house and some finance stuff until you're 21? I don't know because I'm not 21

    well im getting a house next month and i have credit cards and an overdraft so thats finance stuff...and im 18. so no, i dont think theres anything special about 21 these days.

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    (Original post by Lee86)
    no 16 year olds should not have the right to vote .. however they should also not pay taxes otherwise it is taxation without representation. bang out of order!
    so we should restrict everyone under 18 to earning £4000 a year? i think that would cause more outrage than taxation without representation.

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    (Original post by ickle_katy)
    so we should restrict everyone under 18 to earning £4000 a year? i think that would cause more outrage than taxation without representation.

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    not at all but ever1 under 18 shud earn what they like without taxation
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    (Original post by Lee86)
    not at all but ever1 under 18 shud earn what they like without taxation
    that wouldnt work as the rich would just start using their kids as a means of not paying taxes. we'd loose millions. the rich would get richer whilst the poor would become worse off....

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    (Original post by ickle_katy)
    that wouldnt work as the rich would just start using their kids as a means of not paying taxes. we'd loose millions. the rich would get richer whilst the poor would become worse off....

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    I guess the scam would go something along the lines of

    Rich sets up own company to do whatever they do
    Employ their own kids, paying them a vast salary
    Employ themselves at minimum wage

    Kids pay no tax, but then pay mortgage bills food etc, so parents minimum wage is only spent on luxuries.

    My uncle already does this, to a certain extent, so he counts 3 personal allowances rather than just his.
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    (Original post by ickle_katy)
    well im getting a house next month and i have credit cards and an overdraft so thats finance stuff...and im 18. so no, i dont think theres anything special about 21 these days.
    Looks like they've changed a lot of stuff from 21 to 18 since my dad was my age then. You have to be at least 21 to stand as an MP, if you count that as special
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    I think, considering that the vast majority of 16-18 year olds are not earning enough to be taxed, that the right to vote should not be linked only with the liability of being taxed. This idea is especially pertinent when you consider that some people will never pay tax, perhaps housewives who have never worked would be one group of such people. I think that voting should be more linked with the idea of adulthood. I don't think that being 16 makes someone an adult. Most pensioners don't pay tax anymore, should they lose the right to vote? I think not.

    The age of consent is less an issue of adult responsibility and more the result of a fact of life; young people have sex regardless of how responsible they are. Most people arn't fully developed at 16, both mentally and physically, and we shouldn't pretend that they are.

    (Original post by Scottus_Mus)
    But lets says that you do work! Wouldn't you like a say in how you are treated by your employer. If we'd have had a referendum on University Fees shouldn't the people who it affects have a say.

    If people are not responsible or just don't care enough at 16 then they won't vote. But if you do care I think its wrong that you should be denied to have an input in the way your society is governed.
    Oh come on.

    Toddlers are effected by changes. Do they have a right to vote?

    Some 10 year olds care about society. Do they have a right to vote?
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    (Original post by Fleff)
    Should 16 year olds have the right to vote? Any views welcome, although please give reasons rather than just yes/no answers.
    Yes, I am 16 and I know that I am well enough educated to form a solid opinion about issues that are put up to vote. I also know that only the 16 year olds, who are in a similar position, would care enough to vote. An uneducated 16 year old wouldn't even bother to go to the polling booth. I have a job, I pay taxes, I get all the free education that is available to me. I am a rational, thinking being. It is not right for another individual, who might not be quite rational, to make decisions that will affect my life without me having a say.
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    (Original post by dave134)
    Yes, and they must also be allowed to stand as parliamentary candidates / councillors etc, where the current age limit is 21

    We currently have the odd case that the age limits on various things are out of proportion.

    At 21:
    • Stand as a candidate in an election
    • Buy hardcore porn
    • Probably some other things I don't know about


    At 18:
    • Purchase Alcohol
    • Vote
    • Marriage without parental permission
    • Legally bind yourself via contracts


    At 17:
    • Drive a car


    At 16:
    • Have sex
    • Work
    • Marriage with parental permission
    • Join the armed forces
    • Ride 50cc moped things
    • Control over your own affairs
    • Lottery tickets
    • Smoking


    As you pay taxes at 16 if you work then it would be a logical argument to state that 16yo should be able to vote, as there should not be taxation without representation.
    In my opinion it makes no sense that you can sign-up for the army at 16 but not drink till 18. It makes no sense that you can have sex at 16, but have to be 21 to buy a DVD of other people having sex.

    Everyone who earns money pays tax if they earn over their personal allowance, so if paying tax was the basis for voting would you be happy to see the child models from the pampers ads voting?
 
 
 
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