More than 2 genders - why?

But I'm also species-fluid so now please refer to me as Arlo, the gender-non-conforming but somehow homosexual anthropomorphic arctic-fox-wolf hybrid.

Given gender is a social construct

This is a belief held by a specific group of people, namely feminists. It is not accepted by anyone besides this group of people. So, it would be more accurate for you to write. "As a feminist I believe that gender is a social construct" and explain why you think its that way as apposed to writing it as if it were a truth accepted by everyone.

In original English language the word 'gender' refers to the state of being male or female. it is only recently that in feminised countries 'gender' has taken up a new definition referring to something that is "typically used with reference to social and cultural differences (between genders) rather than biological ones".

In affect the idea of gender being a social construct is a social construct in and of itself.

I'm sorry but you are wrong. In the English dictionary there is clear distinctions between Sex (biological) and gender (cultural and social).

I'm sorry but you are spouting nonsense. I am not a feminist, neither is this concept of gender held exclusively by feminists, but rather widely by scholars.

If you disagree that gender is a social construct, present your case.

Please refrain form waffling about something to do with feminism. I have already stated I am socially conservative.

My intention to engage in discourse with those who support the idea that there are more than two genders.

To understand and appreciate what i wrote in my previous comment you have to understand the etymology of the word 'Gender', or its history in the English language.

The word 'Gender' originates from two words. Genus, a latin word, which refers to a specific class or kind of things and contrary to what you wrote in your comment, Genus is based on the biology of things. The second word is the french word 'Genre' which refers to a specific type of things. The old definition for 'Gender' in Websters 1828 (http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/gender)...."a sex, male or female"...

Nowhere in the etymology of the word 'Gender' do you find a reference to cultrure or social constructs....It is only recently that the word gender has changed in feminised countries to include something which is "typically used with reference to social and cultural differences (between genders) rather than biological ones".

So, like I wrote in my previous comment, the idea of gender being a social construct is a social construct in and of itself.



Try to back up your claims with references.



I asked you to proove that gender is a social construct as you had implied in your comment. You reply by asking me to proove that it is not...

Logic entails that, if you make a claim the obligation is on you to provide sufficient evidence to support it. Asking your adversary to prove it doesn't exist doesn't quiet cut it as an argument for your case.



Regardless of being conservative you can still be a feminist or unwittingly influenced by feminist ideas.

I know its hard sometimes but try to 'refrain' from resorting to derogatory language. Try to address the issue with reason as apposed to insults. Calling something waffle or nonsense doesn't make it so until you prove it to be waffle and nonsense..Opinion is nothing more than just opinion.



I could care less about your intentions. You made a claim that gender is a social construct and stated it as if it were a fact agreed upon by all. In my opinion which I have backed with evidence based on the etymology of the world I believe It is not. I made my point and that is all.

Have a good day.

You don't have to be an feminist to grasp the obvious fact that the societal roles and stereotypes associated with the sexes can and do vary between places, cultures and time periods, and if we didn't use the word 'gender' in reference to this idea, we'd just have to use a different word instead. The word itself is not important, it's the concept that matters.

Recently, I've been seeing a lot of things concerning 'Don't assume my gender' or 'I identify as ...'
From what I understand, you have males and females (with the very rare exception of intersex chromosome combinations like XXY etc.) and you can be transgender if you change your gender physically (and not necessarily by just saying so), but I think people are getting confused with biological gender and gender roles.. or so I think.

Another thing I don't understand is how people say that you can be genderless as a gender. Logically, that doesn't make sense. That's like saying that atheism is a religion.

I need some light on this topic as I don't understand how people are suddenly coming up with 'Oh I'm now this gender that isn't male or female'. It just doesn't make sense.

Look up the study surrounding brenda/Bruce Reimer.
Gender isn't a social, its biological.
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To understand and appreciate what i wrote in my previous comment you have to understand the etymology of the word 'Gender', or its history in the English language.

The word 'Gender' originates from two words. Genus, a latin word, which refers to a specific class or kind of things and contrary to what you wrote in your comment, Genus is based on the biology of things. The second word is the french word 'Genre' which refers to a specific category of things. The old definition for 'Gender' in Websters 1828 (http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/gender)...."a sex, male or female"...

Nowhere in the etymology of the word 'Gender' do you find a reference to cultrure or social constructs....It is only recently that the word gender has changed in feminised countries to include something which is "typically used with reference to social and cultural differences (between genders) rather than biological ones".

So, like I wrote in my previous comment, the idea of gender being a social construct is a social construct in and of itself.



Try to back up your claims with references.



I asked you to proove that gender is a social construct as you had implied in your comment. You reply by asking me to proove that it is not...

Logic entails that, if you make a claim the obligation is on you to provide sufficient evidence to support it. Asking your adversary to prove it doesn't exist doesn't quiet cut it as an argument for your case.



Regardless of being conservative you can still be a feminist or unwittingly influenced by feminist ideas.

I know its hard sometimes but try to 'refrain' from resorting to derogatory language. Try to address the issue with reason as apposed to insults. Calling something waffle or nonsense doesn't make it so until you prove it to be waffle and nonsense..Opinion is nothing more than just opinion.



I could care less about your intentions. You made a claim that gender is a social construct and stated it as if it were a fact agreed upon by all. In my opinion which I have backed with evidence based on the etymology of the world I believe It is not. I made my point and that is all.

Have a good day.

So a woman living in the Songhai Empire in 1492 would play an identical social role to that of a female Alaskan Eskimo from 1000 BC because they have the same genitals?

Also if you're asking this question, you clearly didn't read the study.

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You don't have to be an feminist to grasp the obvious fact that the societal roles and stereotypes associated with the sexes can and do vary between places, cultures and time periods,

and if we didn't use the word 'gender' in reference to this idea, we'd just have to use a different word instead. The word itself is not important, it's the concept that matters.

I'm sorry but it is nonsensical that you would assert that I am a feminist. I am sorry you cannot see that. I don;t find it to be derogatory either, but I guess that is a matter of opinion.

Further, I think it is hardly derogatory that I ask you to refrain from waffling about an unrelated matter in your response, as it is for you to refrain from using derogatory language in mine!

I am under no such obligation to present a case of why gender is a social construct.

Taking into account and 'appreciating' what you have written. Gender as it is understood in the contemporary English language is a social construct

Though thank you for talking about the origin of the word and how it has changed over time. Though I don;t think there is much use in defining words you believe are closely linked to / or the root of the word 'Gender', if it is not in fact the word 'Gender' as it is understood now.

And to be honest I am not surprised the word 'Genus' makes reference to biology. As biology is an important characteristic of gender, as it is understood now, but not the sole determinate of (as is sex).

I don't think that anyone is offended by this - they're just dismissive of it

Not to the point where the variation renders the distinct nature of genders obsolete, which is the point that is being argued here. Not many people know that the ideology, the driving force behind this entire argument of gender is feminist 'Gender Theory'.



The word 'Gender' is central to their argument. You are often told that people confuse the word 'sex' with the word 'gender'. That the word 'gender' refers to a 'social construct' affected by culture amongst other things. That is of course not true as evidenced by my previous reply. it is based on feminist theory that gender 'is a social construct' otherwise in the English language the word 'Gender' very distinctly refers to sex, a male or female.

I agree it is indeed the concept that matters. The concept is taken from feminist 'gender theory' and it should be argued under that umbrella. It is not a universal concept as such it should not be argued as something that is universally accepted as a fact.



I did not 'assert' that you are necessarily a feminist. You could be influenced by feminist ideas even unknowingly so.



I explained how it was relevant to your comment. I will explain once more. You made a claim that gender is a social construct and stated it as if it were a fact agreed upon by all. In my opinion which I have backed up with evidence based on the etymology of the world I believe It is not. I hope that this will help put things into context for you. Additionally, I did not resort to any derogatory language. So, I have no idea what you are referring to here.



In which case you are not being logical.

In epistemology the concept of logical debate lays the obligation of proof on the person making the claim. I could not care less whether or not you feel obliged to present a case for your argument. I am here to show that your argument, your claim is illogical and I have achieved that to a certain extent.

You claimed that gender is a social construct. Whether you know it or not this belief is based on feminist 'Gender Theory'. it is not a universally accepted belief. Secondly, you claimed that there is a distinct difference between the words 'gender' and 'sex' and that sex was based on biology whilst gender was not. I showed you that that was wrong. In fact both words are similar and both based on the biology of people.



So, you are agreeing with me that the idea of gender being a social constuct is a social construct in and of itself. As in, the definition of the word gender has been changed to suit a certain social agenda and is not necessarily true. So it cannot be stated as a universally accepted fact as you did in your first comment.



The word gender has not changed. It remains the same except in those places/books where it is influenced by feminism. For example the websters deintion for the word 'Gender' remains the same to this day as that which refers to 'a sex, male or female'. Secondly, The origins of a word tell a story here. A story of gender politics and bias. Thirdly, it negates the argument that you often hear in this debate that people like me who argue against the 'other genders' confuse the words 'gender' with 'sex'. These two words remain as a reference to distinct groups based on their biology. It is only the feminist definition that renders the word gender different to sex and this belief is not universal.



OK, so you have changed your mind about Sex being biological and Gender being distinctly cultural and social (and not biological). Good.

The biology of human development is divided into two categories, nurture and nature. It is the sole determinant of both gender and sex.