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    (Original post by me!)
    When I was in hospital earlier this year one of the nurses was about to connect my drip to the tube in my arm without flushing it first, so would have effectively pumped air into my veins... luckily my mum (who's a midwife) managed to stop her...

    I think it was a case of her working too many hours tbh, she looked exhausted...

    So imo I think the cut in hours is a good thing.
    too much pink arrgh
    *gets some shades*
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    eh? What do you mean without flushing??? Surely if you mean flush the venflon, that achieves the same thing as the drip would (Presuming the drip had been run through)
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    (Original post by Daveo)
    That is incorrect actually. France and Germany have said that if they implement the hours restrictions their health service would fall apart so they intend to completely ignore the euro foolios.
    Even if they don't keep to the hours, I presume you won't see as many junior French or German doctors working 100 hour weeks though?
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    I agree that a reduction in the number hours worked can only be a good thing. lthough I agree to some extent that you will have slightly less experience, this isn't going to make a massive impact. I mean if you have inserted 115 cannulas that week, is inserting 150 because you're working a few more hours going to make you a better doctor ? Its really not. And as for emergencies, juniors will still be doing what they have always done, and if its anything out of their hands then they you just call for a grown up to come and sort it out. Junior docs don't have as much responsability as people think. I for one am going to be happy having sometime to enjoy life, and indeed my job because i will have appropriate rest time.

    What i think is worse at the moment is the cutbacks some deanerys are making with regards to junior doctors study leave. I think this is really bad and measures need to be implemented to sort this. Although the F1 and F2 schemes seem a bit up in the air at the mo, I am confident that when i get there in two years time they will be a bit more concrete. If it is a bit difficult then i guess i'll just have to do the best with what ive got.
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    But junior doctors become 'grown up' doctors, and unless they have the experience, who are the new juniors going to turn to a few years down the line?
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    (Original post by joyabbott)
    But junior doctors become 'grown up' doctors, and unless they have the experience, who are the new juniors going to turn to a few years down the line?
    Can't you spend longer as juniors instead?
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    Well, the government is trying to fast-track consultants... hence the flaws
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    (Original post by joyabbott)
    Well, the government is trying to fast-track consultants... hence the flaws
    Ah, I see, hmm ...

    I better build those benabots quick then!
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    Apparently it will be impossible to switch to a different speciality after the F2??? (according to an ophthalmologist who's devising the curriculum)...and consultants will have to sub-specialise -a lot- more...? :confused:
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    Surely it can't be impossible - F2 is more than one specialty? There will be lots of movement I'm sure.
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    (Original post by joyabbott)
    Surely it can't be impossible - F2 is more than one specialty? There will be lots of movement I'm sure.
    I meant after F2...(I think-not entirely sure!) There won't be rotations after F2, like SHOs have nowadays...
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    (Original post by shiny)
    I'm glad that they are cutting hours because I've had a junior doctor fall asleep on me once! :eek:
    I'm not due to be a doctor any time soon but i disagree with the shorter hours...coz it would mean that junior doctors will be less experienced and when they become senior doctors..they are not actually very senior...(if u know what i mean)
    and doctors would get a pay cut too...
    but i must say anything more than 58 hrs a week is a lot! my brother, who is a junior doctor, is working like there's no tomorrow!! :eek:
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    I'm looking forwards to the reduction in working hours for me! 58 hours (or 72h for that matter!) sounds like bliss after a lab based PhD!
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    (Original post by p8224)
    I'm not due to be a doctor any time soon but i disagree with the shorter hours...coz it would mean that junior doctors will be less experienced
    You'll not be able to learn efficiently or effectively if you are too tired.
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    (Original post by GraduateMedic)
    I'm looking forwards to the reduction in working hours for me! 58 hours (or 72h for that matter!) sounds like bliss after a lab based PhD!
    Especially if you are getting on a bit ... tick tock tick tock
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    (Original post by shiny)
    Especially if you are getting on a bit ... tick tock tick tock

    Why, you..!!!!

    when do you move into College? I'm graduating on the 2nd Oct
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    (Original post by GraduateMedic)
    Why, you..!!!! when do you move into College? I'm graduating on the 2nd Oct
    I'm gonna see you get your PhD (I mean, DPhil )
 
 
 
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