Animal liberation front

vienna

its still our resource. these are ethical considerations as to where you draw the line, you consider "for the survival of man", to be acceptable.

no i don't consider for the survival of man acceptable i consider nutrition to be acceptable. There is a difference if i said survival of man you could argue that testing drugs on animals furthers the survival of man

Reply 64

vienna

still had the basic 'right', according to the animal kingdom, to kill another animal simply because he could

why is that a right? who defined the 'rights of the animal kingdom'?

Reply 65

Homegrownkitten

Just because you can do something it doesnt give you the right to do it.

in the jungle it does.

What about killing another human? Even prehostoric humans knew that.

killing another human is a basic moral wrong, i have the right to kill you, but ill probably suffer some horrific consequences.

Also 'cavemen' did have the ability to communicate, most animals do...

i was aiming to demonstrate the point.

Reply 66

actually not killing members of your own species is some form of deep genetic response (or that's what i remember) which only us intelligent humans and one species of monkey don't seem to follow

Reply 67

timeofyourlife

why is that a right? who defined the 'rights of the animal kingdom'?

the same person who put us all here. we are tied up with our definitions, constrained by our own language. the essence of a right exists though, even if 99% of the earth isnt aware of it.

Reply 68

vienna

the same person who put us all here. we are tied up with our definitions, constrained by our own language. the essence of a right exists though, even if 99% of the earth isnt aware of it.

person that put us here? evolution?

Reply 69

vienna

the same person who put us all here. we are tied up with our definitions, constrained by our own language. the essence of a right exists though, even if 99% of the earth isnt aware of it.

that reads a bit too 'professor robert winston' for my liking.

Reply 70

Homegrownkitten

The survival of man or the comfort of man?

thats for each to draw his own conclusions.

Reply 71

Dajo123

vienna

by the fact that we can kill them gives us the very basic and only right, in my book.

Strange, but a bear or black widow spider can kill us, just as we can kill them, doesnt mean either has the right.

What exactly does it mean to be human anyway? when certain animals share alot of our basic traits that we claim set us apart......... read the link below.

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/20609.html

Reply 72

BloodyValentine

person that put us here? evolution?

that is another topic, one that as far as I know, we dont have conclusive answers for.

Reply 73

Dajo123

Strange, but a bear or black widow spider can kill us, just as we can kill them, doesnt mean either has the right.

why? which right does it not have? that it perceives us a threat and kills us for fun, food, security?

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vienna

that is another topic, one that as far as I know, we dont have conclusive answers for.

fair enough your beliefs are another one of those rights you're entitled to. I'm off to bed i'll try and find that source on pesticides by tomorrow

Reply 75

BloodyValentine

i'll try and find that source on pesticides by tomorrow

i'll wait with baited breath :smile:

Reply 76

vienna

why? which right does it not have? that it perceives us a threat and kills us for fun, food, security?

'right' is a such a subjective, loosely defined term, it has little meaning in this context.

Reply 77

timeofyourlife

'right' is a such a subjective, loosely defined term, it has little meaning in this context.

i would agree that it has different contextual understandings yes.

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