Senior EU offical daughter raped and murdered by migrant Germany

blaming victims in this way is just one (very small) step away from "well, she was asking for it"

the EU is what National Governments make out of it.

In fact, the EU has no actual migration policy worth mentioning (at least for extra-EU immigration), and Members States' governments pretty much do what they want

And yet the police were able to identity the ethnic backgrounds of the criminals involved in the vast majority of the cases; if they were all claiming to be Syrian refugees, how did the police identity them as mostly Moroccans and Algerians? In fact, if a significant number of these criminals did claim to be Syrians/Afgans, the latter are still committing disproportionately less crime than a) the general populace and b) North African migrants, making your case against intake of genuine refugees even weaker.

No, we really don't. Don't be absurd. If it were so difficult to discern between the groups, we wouldn't be able to tell with confidence the percentages of different ethnic groups involved in the sex offenses. The "argument from rape wave" against the migrants/refugees, which is nothing more than a cheap appeal to emotion, looks at the recent sexual crimes committed by primarily Algerians and Moroccans, and then generalises it to imply that genuine refugees from Syria/Afghanistan etc should not be accepted either.

Essentially, your disingenuous interpretation of statistics legitimises the abhorrent "they're all the same, keep them all out" view, which has been expressed numerous times in this very thread already. We even had one moron ranting about black people and crime in London!

Who are "them"? Syrian refugees? Afghan refugees? Algerian and Moroccan migrants? Or are they all just "brown Muslims" for you?

So the migrant rape wave doesn't count as evidence for refugees causing chaos in Europe does it?

The fact liberals can be so blind to reality is frankly astonishing.

The police were able to identify the ethnic background of those who have been arrested only. Considering that there were about 500 complains and potentially 2000 victims in Cologne alone, we can guess that there were several hundreds if not thousands involved, but only about a hundred have been arrested. The vast majority of the culprits are still free.

Among those arrested, there were principally North Africans (but also some refugees that had just arrived from Syria/Afghanistan)

possibly because they were in Germany for some time and the police knew them,

You mean white men.

So the majority of the offenders would have been North Africans, not Syrians and Afghans who have a more genuine claim to asylum than the North Africans. Great, that's what I've been saying.

So again, not much to do with the recent migrant crisis whereby Syrians, Afghans and Iraqis form the bulk of the migrant/refugee population. The North Africans who had been living in Germany for a while, many of whom are illegal immigrants, decided to organise the Cologne attacks on social media, and that somehow is supposed to give credence to the argument that Syrian and Afghan refugees should also not be allowed in.

Of course we can.

We know the majority of those who have entered the EU are Syrians; we don't have to know the exact numbers. And as I pointed out, this doesn't even support your argument.

This is not only false, but perpetuates harmful bigotry of the sort we've already seen in this thread when we start overgeneralisation to suit a more overarching, anti-migrant agenda.

The statistics you provided logically imply what I've said.

I can certainly agree with that, though I'm not sure I agree with your blasphemy test in the context of migration to USA.

Does that include Serbians, Kosovars and Macedonians who commit disproportionate amount of crime relative to Syrians and Afghans?

In other words, no statistical evidence.

No s*** Afghanistan is an awful place in terms of women's rights now. Blame the Taliban, and of course our initial meddling and funding theoreof for that.

No I mean White women, White men are the scapegoats of society.

The EU is just hypocritical bs. Rotten to the core. No-one believes in it any more,.

Are you dense or just another disingenuous troll? I know it must be hard for your ignorant self etc etc.

If you believe this, IMHO you have a very, very faint grasp of political realities. Millions and millions of people (including almost half of the UK) believe in European integration, and support the European Union.

What is true, is that euroscepticism has increased in the last few years, but that's entirely a different issue (and results of e.g. the Austrian presidential election would point the other way)

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lol. We're on a thread about a man raping a woman, and men are still somehow the victims. There is no male accountability.

What is true, is that euroscepticism has increased in the last few years, but that's entirely a different issue (and results of e.g. the Austrian presidential election would point the other way)

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Are you dense or just another disingenuous troll? I know it must be hard for your ignorant self to distinguish between different groups of brown people, but the "migrant rape wave" has nothing to do with SYRIAN refugees. In fact Syrian refugees tend to be less conservative, and more easily assimilated than the Deobandi/salafi-influenced Muslims born and raised in Europe.

inb4 meh they're all brown



Use of a buzzword? Check.
Irony? Check.
Lack of substance? Check.

No, you don't grasp the political realities.

The Euro has destroyed the Greek and Italian economies, leaving them with eye watering and unsustainable debt loads and society destroying levels of unemployment.

It is only a matter of time before the chickens come home to roost and the single currency collapses and with it the EU (unfortunately, because it will affect us too, even though we had the good sense never to join the Euro and to leave the whole sinking ship now).

No point arguing now, just watch events unfold and remember I told you.

If you believe this, IMHO you have a very, very faint grasp of political realities. Millions and millions of people (including almost half of the UK) believe in European integration, and support the European Union.

What is true, is that euroscepticism has increased in the last few years, but that's entirely a different issue (and results of e.g. the Austrian presidential election would point the other way)

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Every time i hear the word "refugee" used to describe these people it makes my blood boil. The wiki definition of a refugee is as follows "a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster" which doesn't really describe accurately the bulk of new arrivals in to Germany or the rest of Western Europe because a refugee would be grateful for the first safe haven they could find. Just look at a map and you will see there is no direct route between the countries they are coming from and the countries they are settling in. This means they have had to pass through numerous safe but less wealthy European countries to get to places like Germany which makes them nothing more than an economic migrant. And the reason is obvious, they want to go to richer countries. A refugee would be happy to settle anywhere they could shelter from war. They don`t pick and choose based on countries that will give them favorable benefits allowances and free healthcare. People need to stop calling these people refugees and recognise them for what they actually are. Also anyone notice how most of the so called refugees are able bodied young men? Make of that what you will.