Is a postgraduate degree from oxbridge valued as much as an undergraduate one?

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Hi, i know this sounds insane asking, but is a postgraduate degree from oxbridge valued as much as an undergraduate one. Im asking this because it must be easier to get onto a postgraduate course because less people study them, and you would also have undergraduate qualifications to boost your chances, whereas with the undergraduate ones, they are more competitive for places. Or am i wrong????
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It depends. The richest American universities tend to offer better postgrad opportunities in general than Oxbridge, whereas at the undergrad level they're different...Oxbridge still have some clout because their undergrad degrees are more focused and some undergraduates prefer this.

But if you got a Rhodes scholarship or something, then going to Oxford might still be worth more than going to Harvard or Yale.
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Im asking this because it must be easier to get onto a postgraduate course because less people study them, and you would also have undergraduate qualifications to boost your chances, whereas with the undergraduate ones, they are more competitive for places. Or am i wrong????
wrong, well in general you are wrong most of the popular postgrad courses are far more competitive, espesh economics etc which you seem to be looking at. they will have people with firsts from all over the world applying so in theory its much harder to get into.

(re some randoms rep, egregious? for stating the obvious? :rolleyes: )
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Hi, i know this sounds insane asking, but is a postgraduate degree from oxbridge valued as much as an undergraduate one. Im asking this because it must be easier to get onto a postgraduate course because less people study them, and you would also have undergraduate qualifications to boost your chances, whereas with the undergraduate ones, they are more competitive for places. Or am i wrong????
You couldn't be more wrong, just because there's less places dosen't mean it's less competitive, the complete opposite, the lack of places means there is more demand.
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Hi, i know this sounds insane asking, but is a postgraduate degree from oxbridge valued as much as an undergraduate one. Im asking this because it must be easier to get onto a postgraduate course because less people study them, and you would also have undergraduate qualifications to boost your chances, whereas with the undergraduate ones, they are more competitive for places. Or am i wrong????
I'd say there's more of a variation, with the social sciences being generally the most competitive. It seems though the humanities are easier to get onto, generally requiring a reasonable upper second. The most competitive graduate courses are very difficult to get into though, and even a first may not see you through. Usually courses which appeal to both, aspiring academics and practitioners alike are the most competitive, i.e. Law, Economics, International Relations, Development, Management and the like. For many of these courses the application per place ratio is very high (in many cases over 10 apps per place), yet even then it's not a truly accurate reflection of how difficult it may prove in attempting to secure a place. Often what you get is a dozen or so people for each of these courses on highly prestigious international scholarships (i.e. Rhodes, Marshall etc) who're practically guaranteed a place, and it’s then that the rest of the applicants compete for whatever remains, so places are even more limited than may initially appear.
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It depends. The richest American universities tend to offer better postgrad opportunities in general than Oxbridge, whereas at the undergrad level they're different...Oxbridge still have some clout because their undergrad degrees are more focused and some undergraduates prefer this.

But if you got a Rhodes scholarship or something, then going to Oxford might still be worth more than going to Harvard or Yale.
This depends very much on the subject. There is much less in the way of research funding in the US, and I know of plenty of Americans who turned down Ivy League because the AHRB (Arts and Humanities Research Board) would fully fund them just to research and write their PhD full time in Cambridge. Ultimately it depends on the subject, but in general Cambridge remains just as good as Harvard of Yale at postgraduate levels - just look at the results of the Cambridge's research assessment!
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It really depends on which course you are looking at. Say for Law, then Cambridge's LLM is not that well respected, but Oxford's BCL is really highly respected and ultimately of an arguably higher standard than Harvard's LLM (though many people do both; greedy). However, MBA wise- Harvard wins all the time.
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PhD or Masters?
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I think he means Phd; masters would be graduate. In my opinion American unis tend to offer better opportunities for funding; although Oxbridge life as a postgrad tends to be more vibrant. I heard only 1 out of 6 postgrad students get their Phds in arts and lit!!! scary !

Post-grad admission is equally difficult for both Oxbridge and the top-tier American unis. The prestige and quality is pretty much the same (i see it more as a limiting factor; USA unis have way more cash but that doesn't limit your potential at all), but if you get a good offer for funding for the usa I wouldn't think twice about accepting it!


Out of curiosity, what subject aree you thinking of?
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This depends very much on the subject. There is much less in the way of research funding in the US, and I know of plenty of Americans who turned down Ivy League because the AHRB (Arts and Humanities Research Board) would fully fund them just to research and write their PhD full time in Cambridge. Ultimately it depends on the subject, but in general Cambridge remains just as good as Harvard of Yale at postgraduate levels - just look at the results of the Cambridge's research assessment!
I was thinking of the scientists that can get funding in the States, which far overshadows most of the stuff available in the UK, even compared to Oxbridge. Don't know about the situation with Arts...sorry...although I sometimes wonder how much it really costs to fund a historian's thesis! And as sure as I am that there are many world-class researchers at Cambridge, I find it hard to base an opinion on those research assessments.
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I think he means Phd; masters would be graduate. In my opinion American unis tend to offer better opportunities for funding
I can't speak for the sciences, but for the arts funding is much more easily available in the UK. As a genralisation, funding is more easy in the US at undergraduate level and harder at graduate level, while in the UK it is the reverse.
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It really depends on which course you are looking at. Say for Law, then Cambridge's LLM is not that well respected, but Oxford's BCL is really highly respected and ultimately of an arguably higher standard than Harvard's LLM (though many people do both; greedy). However, MBA wise- Harvard wins all the time.
Is the Cambridge LLM not that well respected? Hadn't heard that...or do you just mean relative to oxford, harvard et al?
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I think he means Phd; masters would be graduate. In my opinion American unis tend to offer better opportunities for funding ...
And equipment if you are doing something that needs some very cool stuff, e.g. nanotechnology!
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Plus, you might have to spend a ridiculous amount of time doing TA or RA work! :eek:
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Would we have to do TA/RA work in oxbridge for a phd? Seriously I would consider that a decisive factor in my decision, hearing how horrible that experience can be!
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Would we have to do TA/RA work in oxbridge for a phd? Seriously I would consider that a decisive factor in my decision, hearing how horrible that experience can be!
If you get funding you normally don't have to at Oxbridge. My supervisor in Easter Term - who is American - has advised me to stay in the UK if I can get funding. However if I do not get funding most good US unis will guarantee you TA work, so you will get an income coming in, but you will have less time to focus on your work and your dissertation will inevitably take longer.
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Would we have to do TA/RA work in oxbridge for a phd? Seriously I would consider that a decisive factor in my decision, hearing how horrible that experience can be!
It is not compulsory.
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