2nd EU Referendum (Would it happen?)

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Hi, all.

Since the EU referendum in June, I feel that no one (including Theresa May) has a clue on what to do after the majority of people voted to leave. Remainers are fighting against Leavers, saying that a 2nd EU referendum could give a final result of the people (stupid), or they want a 'hard' or 'soft' Brexit (or in Theresa May's terms: 'a red, white and blue Brexit').

What do you think will happen with the whole pear-shaped Brexit?
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it's funny how people like nick clegg titled this referendum "a once in a life time decision"...only to completely forget about that statement once his preference wasn't victorious, as he only said it because he suspected that "in" would win. now it's back to the start because he and others just like him simply cannot accept that most people disagree with his elite opinion. it's just like the EU itself - if you lose once, try again until the people give up and throw in the towel for you just so you'll leave them alone. it happened in ireland and it happened in denmark. it's apparently going to happen here too.

but honestly, there are some general facts about the EU and its institutions that are unescapable
1) obviously while most people who wanted to leave the EU because of immigration, membership or access to the single market DEPENDS on open borders immigration with the EU. the schengan area is irrelevant - EU passport checks don't mean a thing when simply having a passport is all you need.
2) *so* many leave campaign members (from gove, to boris, to hannan, to farage, etc) ALL clearly said that to leave the EU is to leave the single market, so why is there *any* confusion here regarding whether brexit means or should mean our withdrawal from the single market?

how can anybody really consider remaining in the single market a viable outcome of remaining in the EU? if we leave the EU and keep our borders conditionally closed via national control while remaining in the single market, then this will clearly give other EU states the impression that they can get the exact same deal if they themselves just left the EU, and therefore, the commission would eventually wither away completely. the commission, as a organisation of self-interested oligarchs, do not want that outcome. so they aren't going to allow us to "have our cake and eat it".we therefore will have to leave the single market, like all these leave campaigners originally said! yes, I get it - some people on the leave said said that it would damage the EU's economy if they didn't allow us to remain in the single market while controlling our own borders, but how can you democratically guarantee a result like this when the EU commission aren't even accountable to UK voters? it's like iraq having a vote on whether the US went to war with them - it doesn't work like that in reality! and even still: it wasn't what the public decided in the first place. they voted to leave, and by default, that would necessarily mean leaving all institutions of the EU and MAYBE stay in the single market only if 1) we're allowed, and 2) we retain national sovereignty over our borders. and those two in unison is not likely at all. it's possible, yes, but not likely, so we should accept reality for what it is.
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Ultimately Theresa May does not have a Parliamentary majority for any deal that she negotiates without Labour support. That was shown by the vote yesterday.

So the question is how much socialism is she prepared to concede to Labour to get her eventual deal approved?

If she will not concede what Labour seeks, mostly on workers' rights, she must either call an election or have a referendum.

UKIP will almost certainly oppose any deal that is done.

It is her call.
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(Original post by sleepysnooze)
it's funny how people like nick clegg titled this referendum "a once in a life time decision"...only to completely forget about that statement once his preference wasn't victorious, as he only said it because he suspected that "in" would win. now it's back to the start because he and others just like him simply cannot accept that most people disagree with his elite opinion. it's just like the EU itself - if you lose once, try again until the people give up and throw in the towel for you just so you'll leave them alone. it happened in ireland and it happened in denmark. it's apparently going to happen here too.

but honestly, there are some general facts about the EU and its institutions that are unescapable
1) obviously while most people who wanted to leave the EU because of immigration, membership or access to the single market DEPENDS on open borders immigration with the EU. the schengan area is irrelevant - EU passport checks don't mean a thing when simply having a passport is all you need.
2) *so* many leave campaign members (from gove, to boris, to hannan, to farage, etc) ALL clearly said that to leave the EU is to leave the single market, so why is there *any* confusion here regarding whether brexit means or should mean our withdrawal from the single market?

how can anybody really consider remaining in the single market a viable outcome of remaining in the EU? if we leave the EU and keep our borders conditionally closed via national control while remaining in the single market, then this will clearly give other EU states the impression that they can get the exact same deal if they themselves just left the EU, and therefore, the commission would eventually wither away completely. the commission, as a organisation of self-interested oligarchs, do not want that outcome. so they aren't going to allow us to "have our cake and eat it".we therefore will have to leave the single market, like all these leave campaigners originally said! yes, I get it - some people on the leave said said that it would damage the EU's economy if they didn't allow us to remain in the single market while controlling our own borders, but how can you democratically guarantee a result like this when the EU commission aren't even accountable to UK voters? it's like iraq having a vote on whether the US went to war with them - it doesn't work like that in reality! and even still: it wasn't what the public decided in the first place. they voted to leave, and by default, that would necessarily mean leaving all institutions of the EU and MAYBE stay in the single market only if 1) we're allowed, and 2) we retain national sovereignty over our borders. and those two in unison is not likely at all. it's possible, yes, but not likely, so we should accept reality for what it is.

]it's funny how people like nick clegg titled this referendum "a once in a life time decision"...only to completely forget about that statement once his preference wasn't victorious, as he only said it because he suspected that "in" would win. now it's back to the start because he and others just like him simply cannot accept that most people disagree with his elite opinion. it's just like the EU itself - if you lose once, try again until the people give up and throw in the towel for you just so you'll leave them alone. it happened in ireland and it happened in denmark. it's apparently going to happen here too.

Someone still has a scrap of sanity thank goodness. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who had noticed this but that is so true. All of the left wing remain supporters pre-Brexit preached about democracy and how the result must be respected because they thought they had no chance of losing. Funny how they do a complete U turn on this concept when they don`t get their way and now we have people trying to throw up obstacles for Brexit because they cant accept the simple fact that they lost and the majority no longer want to be ruled by un-elected and un-democratic bureaucrats in Brussels.
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There is no sign of this happening, no.
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3rd referendum..........


United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum, 1975



United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016
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3rd referendum..........


United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum, 1975



United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016
2nd referendum. The title is '2nd EU Referendum'.
The referendum on the European Union, not the European Communities membership.
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why didn't they think about what would happen after the Referendum before they called it?
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why didn't they think about what would happen after the Referendum before they called it?
Complacency.
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No. B
The people of Britain made their choice, if you don't like it, tough.
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2nd referendum. The title is '2nd EU Referendum'.
The referendum on the European Union, not the European Communities membership.
.....................which is the European Union.

So the next one is the 3rd referendum

count to three like ed balls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v502-0LJmI
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(Original post by sleepysnooze)


how can anybody really consider remaining in the single market a viable outcome of remaining in the EU? if we leave the EU and keep our borders conditionally closed via national control while remaining in the single market, then this will clearly give other EU states the impression that they can get the exact same deal if they themselves just left the EU,
You have to consider though, that the UK is in quite a unique situation with its problem of EU migrants, most EU countries don't have an astronomically high number of other EU members emigrating to their countries, so it's unlikely that there would be a huge demand for closed borders in other countries. Anti-EU parties across Europe have other 'main reasons' for being anti-EU and anti-immigration, the FN and / AfD / Freedom Party in The Netherlands are all anti-Islam for instance and would most likely make do with just no more Muslims as far as immigration goes. East European countries don't have an immigration problem and yet are still anti-EU for legislative reasons and so on.
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(Original post by Therec00)
.....................which is the European Union.

So the next one is the 3rd referendum

count to three like ed balls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v502-0LJmI
Wilson held that vote because the child molester Edward Heath who took us in without actually holding a vote which is changing the constitution without voting on it, it was sold as a free trade zone in the 1970's, if they told us about mass immigration back then 70-80% would of voted against the EU
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