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    do you know the salary scale for civil servants?
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    I don't really know a lot on this topic but once I investigated the fast stream and I think their starting salaries were in the low 20s and then eventually raised to the the mid 50s (k)
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    Blimey. Throw in the final salary pension, definite career progression and job security and that is pretty attractive.
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    Why do you think they get a ridiculous amount of applications every year?!
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    Does depend on which part of the civil service you're looking at.
    Some areas have starting wages of £18500 or less.
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    (Original post by mountainmetman)
    Does depend on which part of the civil service you're looking at.
    Some areas have starting wages of £18500 or less.
    what about the SIS (MI6) part?
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    (Original post by Mikesev)
    Blimey. Throw in the final salary pension, definite career progression and job security and that is pretty attractive.
    Plus the fact that the work is really interesting, and the hours are not all that bad relative to other similar paying jobs.
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    (Original post by euanovsky)
    what about the SIS (MI6) part?
    The foreign office has responsibility for SIS. And it would completely depend on the role quite obviously.

    (you can expect 19k~ to start i guess for some roles, about 24k~ at 23~...)
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    It depends on a variety of things - not least the following:

    1) Grade
    2) Experience
    3) Department
    4) Place of work
    5) Qualifications
    6) Specialisation

    For "just out of university fast streamers" you're looking at £22,000 starting (depending on department - Treasury and FCO can get away with lower as they are prestigious) rising to around £32,000 after your 4th year and £40,000+ on promotion from the Fast Stream to team leader/Grade 7 level.

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    Can I ask a stupid question and request that you guys give a little info on what exactly is meant by civil service jobs.
    I really have no idea what it means and it does sound pretty attractive, was just looking for some extra information really.
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    (Original post by K..W.Studd)
    Can I ask a stupid question and request that you guys give a little info on what exactly is meant by civil service jobs.
    I really have no idea what it means and it does sound pretty attractive, was just looking for some extra information really.
    In a nutshell we help run the country. It's very wide with the service covering stuff like:

    Diplomats
    Advisors and admin staff to Ministers
    Immigration and passport control
    Job centre workers
    Tax office staff

    See http://www.faststream.gov.uk/ and http://careers.civil-service.gov.uk/
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    (Original post by samba)
    The foreign office has responsibility for SIS. And it would completely depend on the role quite obviously.

    (you can expect 19k~ to start i guess for some roles, about 24k~ at 23~...)
    Sorry, but that's not right. The FCO sometimes works with SIS but does not have responsibility for it. It is independent of other government agencies. In fact, I might be wrong here, but I think it's actually a Crown Agency; somewhat different to the civil service.
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    I'd love to be an economist for the diplomatic service. Starting salaries are pretty good too (25kish). Anyone know how competitive these are?
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    (Original post by The Regend)
    Sorry, but that's not right. The FCO sometimes works with SIS but does not have responsibility for it. It is independent of other government agencies. In fact, I might be wrong here, but I think it's actually a Crown Agency; somewhat different to the civil service.
    http://www.mi6.gov.uk/output/Page14.html
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    To be fair that says that the Foreign Secretary is responsible or some designated people at the FCO (probably very senior), that is quite different from them reporting to the FCO.
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    If you are not a British national (ie. you don't have a British passport), nor from the EU/commonwealth, but have an indefinite leave, are you exempt from working in the civil service?
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    I think it depends what area you want to go in to. For the Security Service and SIS, I believe you either HAVE to be a British citizen or one of your parents must have "substantial ties to the UK". But it's best checking with the individual departments themselves.
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    (Original post by samba)
    http://www.mi6.gov.uk/output/Page14.html
    All that simply says is that the SIS is held to account by the FCO, not that the FCO is responsible for the running of its operations. It's like in the UK, we, as voters, are entitled to hold Government Ministers to account (through public enquiries etc.), but that doesn't mean we're responsible for them. We don't directly tell them what to do but rather place our trust in them to do the right thing and then ensure that we're allowed to boot them out if they're not doing it right.
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    (Original post by The Regend)
    All that simply says is that the SIS is held to account by the FCO, not that the FCO is responsible for the running of its operations. It's like in the UK, we, as voters, are entitled to hold Government Ministers to account (through public enquiries etc.), but that doesn't mean we're responsible for them. We don't directly tell them what to do but rather place our trust in them to do the right thing and then ensure that we're allowed to boot them out if they're not doing it right.
    ffs, do you have trouble reading or are you being deliberately obtuse?

    As part of the process of accountability, SIS seeks the permission of the Foreign Secretary or of designated senior FCO officials for significant operations.
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    (Original post by Excalibur)
    If you are not a British national (ie. you don't have a British passport), nor from the EU/commonwealth, but have an indefinite leave, are you exempt from working in the civil service?
    In effect, you are barred.

    See http://careers.civil-service.gov.uk/...ID=164&635132=

    In a nutshell you need to be one of:

    1) British Citizen
    2) Citizen of the European Economic Area (EU + Norway, Iceland and Switzerland)
    3) A Citizen of a Commonwealth country

    Some posts are restricted to British Nationals only.
 
 
 
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