CRINGE WARNING: The Labour party is dead and it's never coming back.
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Original post by the bear
these rich ****ers are having a giraffe ... their expenses are more than the typical voter's income 
This.
The irony of champagne socialists is ****ing hilarious. Bashing employers while IPSA give them 11% pay rises and expenses as well to quote the song "they just don't give a damn".
And then to top it off we get Dan "mr boring" Jarvis making an appearance who makes me want to fall asleep whenever I listen to him speak.
The only thing that would've made this go down in comedy history ahead of Monty Python's Dead Parrot Sketch would've been a cameo by Diane Abbott blaming "dem racist whiteys."
Original post by Ambitious1999
I seriously hope the Tories never win another election ever again! We are desperate for change after 6 years of misery and Corbyn and Abbot are the only ones to give us that refreshing change we all need.
You ever heard of Venezuela? As a devout follower of Marx I bet you'd love it there...
If that fails I'd recommend the puritan communist bastion of Pyongyang, North Korea.
Original post by Connor27
This.
The irony of champagne socialists is ****ing hilarious. Bashing employers while IPSA give them 11% pay rises and expenses as well to quote the song "they just don't give a damn".
And then to top it off we get Dan "mr boring" Jarvis making an appearance who makes me want to fall asleep whenever I listen to him speak.
The only thing that would've made this go down in comedy history ahead of Monty Python's Dead Parrot Sketch would've been a cameo by Diane Abbott blaming "dem racist whiteys."
The irony of champagne socialists is ****ing hilarious. Bashing employers while IPSA give them 11% pay rises and expenses as well to quote the song "they just don't give a damn".
And then to top it off we get Dan "mr boring" Jarvis making an appearance who makes me want to fall asleep whenever I listen to him speak.
The only thing that would've made this go down in comedy history ahead of Monty Python's Dead Parrot Sketch would've been a cameo by Diane Abbott blaming "dem racist whiteys."
Because how dare privileged individuals care about equality and the lower income workforce.
The audacity.
Original post by the bear
wonder why "comments are disabled for this video"
Original post by Twinpeaks
Because how dare privileged individuals care about equality and the lower income workforce.
The audacity.
The audacity.
That would be fine, if they cared without being hypocritical ***** taking 11% pay rises (that is 100% funded by the taxpayer, that same "lower income workforce" they claim to represent, need I remind you?).
Equality is tyranny, you cannot force people up without forcing other people down, that is wrong, people should make their own way in the word (thankfully Britain is a meritocracy where that is possible, thank yourself lucky you don't live in Mao's China, that'd show you where absolute "equality" gets you.)
If people fail in life that is their own fault; every other taxpayer that has worked hard to get where they are shouldn't get 40-45% income tax to fund these people's mistakes, THAT IS THEFT.
Original post by Twinpeaks
Because how dare privileged individuals care about equality and the lower income workforce.
The audacity.
The audacity.
You literally just read the words "champagne socialist" and neglected to read the rest of argument.
I r8 8/8 for logic. IGN GOTY award received.
Original post by Connor27
That would be fine, if they cared without being hypocritical ***** taking 11% pay rises (that is 100% funded by the taxpayer, that same "lower income workforce" they claim to represent, need I remind you?).
Equality is tyranny, you cannot force people up without forcing other people down, that is wrong, people should make their own way in the word (thankfully Britain is a meritocracy where that is possible, thank yourself lucky you don't live in Mao's China, that'd show you where absolute "equality" gets you.)
If people fail in life that is their own fault; every other taxpayer that has worked hard to get where they are shouldn't get 40-45% income tax to fund these people's mistakes, THAT IS THEFT.
Equality is tyranny, you cannot force people up without forcing other people down, that is wrong, people should make their own way in the word (thankfully Britain is a meritocracy where that is possible, thank yourself lucky you don't live in Mao's China, that'd show you where absolute "equality" gets you.)
If people fail in life that is their own fault; every other taxpayer that has worked hard to get where they are shouldn't get 40-45% income tax to fund these people's mistakes, THAT IS THEFT.
Right let's settle this.
Because success and failure is completely to your own credit, right?
No. If you are successful you are MERELY FORTUNATE. Most successful people have had the right upbringing, good social environments, good access to education, and adequate plus genes.
Very few of those raised in disadvantage are resilient enough to succeed to the same degree as those from adequate to privileged backgrounds. Those people simply won the genetic lottery.
To say a person failing in life is their own fault is the most ignorant mind set. And it's a cognitive mechanism you use to justify your attitudes. To justify your resentment for helping the poor, your greed and your selfishness. And I don't buy it.
What people like you need, is to witness deprivation and adversity first hand. Because you just don't understand how slight changes in the environment can significantly effect outcomes in later life.
To say if you are poor you've failed at life and it's your own fault is obscene.
I've worked with families who are under child protection. For example, one of the new born babies I worked with was experiencing severe shakes because of heroin withdrawal, because her mum took heroine throughout her pregnancy. Now that baby is addicted to heroin.
Do you think that infant is going to succeed at life, or are the odds against her? And if she doesn't succeed, are you telling me it's entirely her fault?
Original post by Connor27
You literally just read the words "champagne socialist" and neglected to read the rest of argument.
I r8 8/8 for logic. IGN GOTY award received.
I r8 8/8 for logic. IGN GOTY award received.
Oh sorry I didn't comment on the "whinge whinge how dare they recieve pay rises" remark. Or the "Jarvis is so boring he makes me fall asleep" cutting example of sharp wit. Or the outright hilarious Monty Python reference.
I didn't reply specifically to those statements because in all honesty I was intimidated by the eloquence and intelligence that shone throughout each word.
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Original post by Ambitious1999
Labour will Always get my vote. This song is so true, so representative of the last 6 years of Tory capitalist misery. They should also have mentioned in the song about the poor and disabled living on the streets in the gutter because of the nasty cruel Tory benefit cuts, ATOS tests and sanctions created by IDS.
This government is despicable and this song is a true reflection of the exploitation, greed and misery of society and lies & propaganda rubbed in on a daily basis by the gutter press and endless channel 5 program's against people on benefits shown several times every day.
We NEED change and after 6 bloody miserable years of Tory rule! We need change NOW!
Vote LABOUR!
This government is despicable and this song is a true reflection of the exploitation, greed and misery of society and lies & propaganda rubbed in on a daily basis by the gutter press and endless channel 5 program's against people on benefits shown several times every day.
We NEED change and after 6 bloody miserable years of Tory rule! We need change NOW!
Vote LABOUR!
I think you're probably part of the problem rather than part of the solution there.
Original post by Twinpeaks
Right let's settle this.
Because success and failure is completely to your own credit, right?
No. If you are successful you are MERELY FORTUNATE. Most successful people have had the right upbringing, good social environments, good access to education, and adequate plus genes.
Very few of those raised in disadvantage are resilient enough to succeed to the same degree as those from adequate to privileged backgrounds. Those people simply won the genetic lottery.
To say a person failing in life is their own fault is the most ignorant mind set. And it's a cognitive mechanism you use to justify your attitudes. To justify your resentment for helping the poor, your greed and your selfishness. And I don't buy it.
What people like you need, is to witness deprivation and adversity first hand. Because you just don't understand how slight changes in the environment can significantly effect outcomes in later life.
To say if you are poor you've failed at life and it's your own fault is obscene.
I've worked with families who are under child protection. For example, one of the new born babies I worked with was experiencing severe shakes because of heroin withdrawal, because her mum took heroine throughout her pregnancy. Now that baby is addicted to heroin.
Do you think that infant is going to succeed at life, or are the odds against her? And if she doesn't succeed, are you telling me it's entirely her fault?
Because success and failure is completely to your own credit, right?
No. If you are successful you are MERELY FORTUNATE. Most successful people have had the right upbringing, good social environments, good access to education, and adequate plus genes.
Very few of those raised in disadvantage are resilient enough to succeed to the same degree as those from adequate to privileged backgrounds. Those people simply won the genetic lottery.
To say a person failing in life is their own fault is the most ignorant mind set. And it's a cognitive mechanism you use to justify your attitudes. To justify your resentment for helping the poor, your greed and your selfishness. And I don't buy it.
What people like you need, is to witness deprivation and adversity first hand. Because you just don't understand how slight changes in the environment can significantly effect outcomes in later life.
To say if you are poor you've failed at life and it's your own fault is obscene.
I've worked with families who are under child protection. For example, one of the new born babies I worked with was experiencing severe shakes because of heroin withdrawal, because her mum took heroine throughout her pregnancy. Now that baby is addicted to heroin.
Do you think that infant is going to succeed at life, or are the odds against her? And if she doesn't succeed, are you telling me it's entirely her fault?
Don't assume to know anything about my upbringing, just because I'm not a socialist you assume I'm not working class?
What if I told you that my mother (greatest woman in the world, in my opinion) was born on a council estate; my grandma on that side was a drug addict and my grandad had a gambling addiction. She had no money, poor clothes and no motivation from her parents. She had me at 17 and had to drop out of her A Levels.
By sheer hard work and with no A Levels or degree; my mum took us off that council estate (dad helped too admittedly), and she now earns £43,000 and a year and is working with lawyers that went to Oxford in retail compliance. But she has to pay the 40% rate of tax to fund scroungers.
I don't believe in meritocracy as an "excuse to hate the poor" as you put it, I believe in it because I've seen it firsthand in my own life. Yes, I go to a selective grammar school and get a lot of financial support, but don't presume that I've never seen poverty.
People like you are ignorant because you generalise all working class people based on your predisposed view of them as vulnerable and needing help, NO. You're probably a middle class twit that feels rebellious by following Marx and rejecting your parents' authority, JUST **** OFF to put it politely. ***** like you trigger me no end.
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Original post by Twinpeaks
Because success and failure is completely to your own credit, right?
No. If you are successful you are MERELY FORTUNATE. Most successful people have had the right upbringing, good social environments, good access to education, and adequate plus genes.
Very few of those raised in disadvantage are resilient enough to succeed to the same degree as those from adequate to privileged backgrounds. Those people simply won the genetic lottery.
To say a person failing in life is their own fault is the most ignorant mind set. And it's a cognitive mechanism you use to justify your attitudes. To justify your resentment for helping the poor, your greed and your selfishness. And I don't buy it.
The problem is that you've basically undermined any conception of morality, except where your apparent enemies are concerned. The poor (who, incidentally, I think you view in an exceptionally patronising way) are somehow immune from any blame for their actions; while the "other" that you don't like are to be condemned for their outlook, their "greed" and their "selfishness".
Don't bother getting a decent education when it's handed to you on a plate? It's because of your circumstances. Get sacked for being poor at your job? It's your circumstances. Beat your wife? It's because of the deeply ingrained issues that your parents/school/whatever caused. No. I don't only reject that, it should be called out for what it is: nihilism.
I'm happy to accept that people are disadvantaged. But to suggest that there is no choice in that, that "the poor" have no responsibility for their choices, is paternalist, patronising clap-trap. Even the most wretched person can make choices: they may not become a millionaire because of it, but they can become a respectable and contributing member of society and should be valued.
For my part, I don't make a moral judgement about inequality - however I accept its utility. Capitalism, under the rule of law, inherently rewards people for being socially useful. The simplest way to look at this is that if you don't work, you do not get rewarded. If you do work, if you trade, if you make things, if you invest in things that are successful then you do.
This is beyond bad, I find the idea of doing a song rather then addressing and debating the issue annoying however could understand the motivation.
Just if your going to do it do it well. I understand I almost made it as a pro lyricist when I was younger, however I should not be able to do a better job in an evening then a major political party with their resources. I am 100% confident if i tried to write a song on the same message to the same tune I could do way better with just one working day. This is an absolute travesty and embarrassment beyond cringe.
Just if your going to do it do it well. I understand I almost made it as a pro lyricist when I was younger, however I should not be able to do a better job in an evening then a major political party with their resources. I am 100% confident if i tried to write a song on the same message to the same tune I could do way better with just one working day. This is an absolute travesty and embarrassment beyond cringe.
Original post by .paak
You're an idiot if you think one light hearted cringeworthy singing video is going to mean the labour party is doomed.
Not because of the video itself, but it's indicative. Instead of making it about real issus, they focus on people in retail getting minimum wage and working bank holidays - the horror! All shops do this, not just the tax dodging ones. No double rate on Sundays? When did that last happen anyway?
Not only did they use one of the most godawful Christmas songs as the basis for this one, at first the "singing" made it sound like only half of them actually knew what tune they were singing along to.
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It all goes in cycles
aint that right @MagicNMedicine
It all goes in cycles
aint that right @MagicNMedicine
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Original post by L i b
Capitalism, under the rule of law, inherently rewards people for being socially useful. The simplest way to look at this is that if you don't work, you do not get rewarded. If you do work, if you trade, if you make things, if you invest in things that are successful then you do.
Capitalism, under the rule of law, inherently rewards people for being socially useful. The simplest way to look at this is that if you don't work, you do not get rewarded. If you do work, if you trade, if you make things, if you invest in things that are successful then you do.
Unless you get rich enough are are born rich and powerful enough where you can just live off of other people's labour. Or have an army of sweatshop workers to do toil away for your comparatively cushy life.
I think you have a very naive view of capitalism and humans. The same human impulses than can lead to shirking exist in all social classes.
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Original post by Dodgypirate
I'm serious, this is beyond embarrassing, so strap in:
Seen this shite?
[video="youtube;RJmo2_a4RJ8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJmo2_a4RJ8[/video]
Original post by Therec00
Let's think about this rationally.
Wouldn't Labour policies make those people even poorer than they already are ?
Wouldn't Labour policies make those people even poorer than they already are ?
No. Our Labour Party represents normal people in low paid jobs, students and the jobless. They are for everyone of us.
They would raise wages and end exploitation and slavery such as workfare. They'd end zero hour contracts.
The only people who would be worse off are the idle rich and they need to pay their way in society.
Look, Mr Corbyn and Diane Abbott etc have our best interests at heart. They believe in Britain, a fair equal Britain. A Britain where normal people will be better off. We need to get behind them because they only want the best for us.
Why so many dislikes? It's one way to get a message across. They could have had a few singing lessons beforehand but I guess they were pushed for time.
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