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Should welfare claimants take industrial action against welfare cuts and reforms?

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Original post by Friar Chris
What pressure do you imagine benefit claimants 'striking' would put on the government? A net drain on the treasury going on strike will only reduce overhead :lol:

Also good luck getting public support for basically going on 'strike' to whine about how handouts funded by everyone else are not generous enough. They'd just be perceived (and not necessarily unfairly) as ungrateful.


it'd reduce the overhead for three years as well ... as that is the final 'internal' ( to the DWP) sanction for willful failure to comply , external sanctions require civil or criminal prooof of misappropriation of funds
Original post by Ambitious1999
With rail workers and airline workers going on strike against low pay and poor conditions, should welfare claimants also be allowed to take industrial action against the benefits department, to protest against cuts?

People on welfare have suffered a lot over the last 6 years with the benefit freeze, bedroom tax, sanctions for petty mistakes, workfare exploitation, disabled tricked out of their disability benefit by shoddy asos assessments, people made homeless and housing benefit cut.

Claimants should form a claimants Union where they could strike by refusing to attend signing appointments and other interviews refusing to do workfare or attend courses etc.

Discuss.


Do your threads get any more stupid?

Going on strike involves employees withdrawing their labour. All not signing on would do is make you lose your right to benefits for 13 weeks or longer.

In the meantime who will pay the rent and what will they eat? You are utterly ridiculous.
Original post by Drewski
"Spending on benefits administered by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) is expected to be about £171 billion in 2015/16 (23% of public spending), of which about £90 billion is expected to be paid out in the State Pension."

MoD budget= £45bn


http://visual.ons.gov.uk/welfare-spending/


So excluding the disabled and elderly, genuine families receiving tax credits and people in paid employment getting their income topped up, it's probably roughly the same.
Original post by Abdukazam
http://visual.ons.gov.uk/welfare-spending/



So excluding the disabled and elderly, genuine families receiving tax credits and people in paid employment getting their income topped up, it's probably roughly the same.




So what makes one more liable to cuts than the other? Why be in favour of cuts to one that will just increase the burden on the other?
Original post by Drewski
So what makes one more liable to cuts than the other? Why be in favour of cuts to one that will just increase the burden on the other?


I'm not? If anything I think spending on veteran health care should be extended, still the amount of waste in certain sectors is far more significant than unemployment benefit...
Congratulations!

This thread wins the prize for the stupidest of 2016! Well done, good job!
Original post by zippyRN
no it's straight out my experience on the frontlines of healthcare , as are the 3rd and even 4th generation workless families living within spitting distance of major employers who are having to recruit overseas and then bus people from the big city becasue the locals cling to the delusion that One day Arthur is going to come marching over the hill with t'brass bands playing and they'll all go back down t'pit ....

and despite your protestations what you advocate is stright out the socialist;s play book


I forgot anyone who supports moderate sympathy for the less fortunate is a socialist, I must be one then. The issue with the kind of society you support is eventually it will screw you, look at the pension situation. That will be you when you're done, and you'll probably be paying for healthcare as well.

Talk about stupidity.
Original post by Abdukazam
I forgot anyone who supports moderate sympathy for the less fortunate is a socialist, I must be one then. The issue with the kind of society you support is eventually it will screw you, look at the pension situation. That will be you when you're done, and you'll probably be paying for healthcare as well.

Talk about stupidity.


and you claim not to be a socialist ?

the outcry over provider management in healthcare is a distraction to ensure the unions remain able to subvert the will of the commissioners
Original post by zippyRN
and you claim not to be a socialist ?

the outcry over provider management in healthcare is a distraction to ensure the unions remain able to subvert the will of the commissioners


There really is no reasoning with you on this is there? Yes, I support a moderate increase on the taxes of the most fortunate to cut the income tax of the poorer, and invest in society as a whole. No, I don't support full scale nationalisation, the second coming of Momentum and militant unions.

Interesting you complain so much about idlers but don't even realise most land in this country is held by them.
This was the split of the welfare budget from the ONS

welfare.PNG


So really the much bigger amounts go on disabiliyu benefits, pensions, wtc etc. Unemployment benefits are minor in comparison.
Original post by 999tigger
Do your threads get any more stupid?

Going on strike involves employees withdrawing their labour. All not signing on would do is make you lose your right to benefits for 13 weeks or longer.

In the meantime who will pay the rent and what will they eat? You are utterly ridiculous.


Ok maybe striking would be a bit difficult but a proper union for claimants could be set up as a pressure group against the injustice of the welfare system. It could get support from other trade unions, socialist worker and groups like Momentum.

Solidarity could result in other unions going out on strike in support of claimants and help gain nationwide support for them as an alternative to the garbage people read aimed against claimants in the gutter press or on one of the endless channel 5 shows.
Original post by zippyRN
And despite your protestations what you advocate is stright out the socialist;s play book


Being against the conflicts that the government has been involved in, believing them to be unnecessary and that they are a strain on the economy (much more so than benefits claimants) =/ socialism.
Original post by zippyRN


I presume you mean WCA and PIP functional assessments as originally conducted by ATOS , you seem to be forgetting that the decision is made by a DWP employed none-clinician , people also assume that the assessors are mugs and shouldn;t use their clinical acumen to spot the deceptive baehaviours of some claimants; Gregory House is correct about patients and their propensity to say what they think people want to hear.


You've never had one of those assessments, have you? Mine lied a lot. She couldn't get her lies straight. She made some utterly bizarre assumptions too. She sat there and accused my GP (who is obviously medically trained) of lying. She then backed up his "lie" by doing an eye test on me which did state his original claim.

It was also obvious she didn't understand most of the conditions I have either, despite having to explain to my friend what one of them was.

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