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Woman arrested on suspicion of absuive message to young cancer victim

A 5 year old lad who has terminal cancer got sent an abusive message from a 24 year old woman, no words really how disgraceful that is that someone could be low enough to send a nasty message.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/crime/woman-24-arrested-on-suspicion-of-posting-abusive-facebook-message-about-bradley-lowery-1-8300329?ref=BNTMedia&utm_medium=facebook
Wth is wrong with people ugh :s-smilie:
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Original post by Rock Fan
A 5 year old lad who has terminal cancer got sent an abusive message from a 24 year old woman, no words really how disgraceful that is that someone could be low enough to send a nasty message.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/crime/woman-24-arrested-on-suspicion-of-posting-abusive-facebook-message-about-bradley-lowery-1-8300329?ref=BNTMedia&utm_medium=facebook


While not defending her, that's not what the article says. Just says the post was about him, not to him.

Still, putting the arse into class (say with a southern accent).
Original post by Drewski
While not defending her, that's not what the article says. Just says the post was about him, not to him.

Still, putting the arse into class (say with a southern accent).


But arrested for an alleged mean Facebook post about someone? This arrest under the 'Malicious Communications Act' seems a little too extreme.

I mean, she's an insensitive cow if she did indeed post this, but that shouldn't be an arrestable offense in itself. Did she make credible threats? Incite violence...? Come on now.
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Original post by Dandaman1
But arrested for an alleged mean Facebook post about someone? This arrest under the 'Malicious Communications Act' seems a little too extreme.

I mean, she's an insensitive cow if she did indeed post this, but that shouldn't be an arrestable offense in itself. Did she make credible threats? Incite violence...? Come on now.


Without knowing the details it's hard to say.
Original post by Drewski
Without knowing the details it's hard to say.


For sure, but regardless, it shouldn't be illegal just to say something nasty about a cancer patient on the internet. As despicable as she is, she doesn't belong in a jail cell (assuming that's all she did). The UK's stance on speech is becoming a little too overbearing and Chinese
that poor little chap is making the most of his short life.
I don't think posting on Facebook should be an arrestable offense.Offensive is entirely subjective.Whats offensive to one person isn't offensive to another.
Original post by Robby2312
I don't think posting on Facebook should be an arrestable offense.Offensive is entirely subjective.Whats offensive to one person isn't offensive to another.


First of all "offensive" is not enough. The communication must be "grossly offensive"

Here is the offence

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/27/section/1

Whether the communication is "grossly offensive" is a matter of fact to be decided by magistrates or a jury and the woman has the right in this case to elect for jury trial. Normally anyone contending that a communication is not "grossly offensive" would choose jury trial.

The law is full of expressions that are left to juries to decide whether they are satisfied: "dishonestly", "unreasonably"
I dont know what she posted but it is indeed ridiculous and worrying that saying mean and horrible things is jail worthy
Original post by nulli tertius
First of all "offensive" is not enough. The communication must be "grossly offensive"

Here is the offence

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/27/section/1

Whether the communication is "grossly offensive" is a matter of fact to be decided by magistrates or a jury and the woman has the right in this case to elect for jury trial. Normally anyone contending that a communication is not "grossly offensive" would choose jury trial.

The law is full of expressions that are left to juries to decide whether they are satisfied: "dishonestly", "unreasonably"


I have zero faith that a jury will be able to overcome their emotions of repulsion towards the stupid woman and see it objectively. Much better if we just dont arrest people for being shithouses
Original post by Betelgeuse-
I have zero faith that a jury will be able to overcome their emotions of repulsion towards the stupid woman and see it objectively. Much better if we just dont arrest people for being shithouses


Emotions of repulsion are what one naturally feels to things that are grossly offensive.

If you write poison pen letters you are prosecuted. It is the same if you are abusive in the street. The internet is not a consequences free world.
Original post by nulli tertius
First of all "offensive" is not enough. The communication must be "grossly offensive"

Here is the offence

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/27/section/1

Whether the communication is "grossly offensive" is a matter of fact to be decided by magistrates or a jury and the woman has the right in this case to elect for jury trial. Normally anyone contending that a communication is not "grossly offensive" would choose jury trial.

The law is full of expressions that are left to juries to decide whether they are satisfied: "dishonestly", "unreasonably"


Grossly offensive is still subjective.If we start arresting people for stuff they say on the internet that's a slippy slope towards totalitarianism.I would prefer not to become like Russia or China thanks.
Original post by Robby2312
Grossly offensive is still subjective.If we start arresting people for stuff they say on the internet that's a slippy slope towards totalitarianism.I would prefer not to become like Russia or China thanks.


No it isn't.

Are you are that sending a letter containing grossly offensive material through the post has been a crime for more than a century? It is a perfectly reasonable provision and has not resulted in totalitarianism.
Original post by nulli tertius

If you write poison pen letters you are prosecuted. It is the same if you are abusive in the street. The internet is not a consequences free world.


Context is important and prosecutors should have regard to the fact that the context in which interactive social media dialogue takes place is quite different to the context in which other communications take place. Access is ubiquitous and instantaneous. Banter, jokes and offensive comments are commonplace and often spontaneous. Communications intended for a few may reach millions.

Every day many millions of communications are sent via social media and the application of section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988 and section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 to such comments creates the potential that a very large number of cases could be prosecuted before the courts.

In these circumstances there is the potential for a chilling effect on free speech and prosecutors should exercise considerable caution before bringing charges under section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988 and section 127 of the Communications Act 2003.
Original post by liberty cap
Context is important and prosecutors should have regard to the fact that the context in which interactive social media dialogue takes place is quite different to the context in which other communications take place. Access is ubiquitous and instantaneous. Banter, jokes and offensive comments are commonplace and often spontaneous. Communications intended for a few may reach millions.

Every day many millions of communications are sent via social media and the application of section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988 and section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 to such comments creates the potential that a very large number of cases could be prosecuted before the courts.

In these circumstances there is the potential for a chilling effect on free speech and prosecutors should exercise considerable caution before bringing charges under section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988 and section 127 of the Communications Act 2003.


I think prosecutors should most definitely react to the context of communications, in deciding whether to prosecute.

Comments taken down quickly whether spontaneously or in response to other people's reactions without repetition or self-justification and particularly if made the subject of an apology should rarely be the subject of prosecution.

Comments that cause offence are much more serious than comments that are grossly offensive but actually offend no-one.

Comments stumbled upon in an out of the way place on the internet are much less significant than comments likely to attract attention particularly if located in a place where they are likely to be read by people likely to be offended by the comment.

However, the internet is not a free space where the law does not apply. The fact that offensive comments are commonplace does not justify them. You would not say that because pickpocketing on Oxford Street was commonplace, it was less of a crime than pickpocketing elsewhere.

The Malicious Communications Act has a very clear "poison pen (or keyboard)" requirement. Banter and off colour jokes are not caught. Section 127 doesn't have the same requirement and I think a prosecutor should be very reluctant to prosecute under section 127 where a prosecution under the Malicious Communications Act cannot be brought for lack of intent.
Original post by nulli tertius

However, the internet is not a free space where the law does not apply. The fact that offensive comments are commonplace does not justify them. You would not say that because pickpocketing on Oxford Street was commonplace, it was less of a crime than pickpocketing elsewhere.


Had she said what she said among friends and family at the pub what do you suppose would have happened?

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