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Nottingham>Aston.
Original post by horsewithnoname
Would you consider applying to the RVC then? It's the oldest vet school in the English speaking world, so it has all the prestige that goes with old universities...

You should apply to unis that are good for the subject you want to do. For example, Oxford might be one of the best unis in the UK (if not the world), but it doesn't offer veterinary medicine (the subject I want to study). There is no point in applying there.


A university with a Medical or Vet School is a good thing, especially for the departments that they belong to.
Original post by oShahpo
Grouping Aston and St Andrews together is like saying The University of Mozambique and Harvard are all great universities outside of the UK.

To OP: Nottingham is much more established and prestigious as a university compared to Aston.


St Andrews attracts a lot of students whose parents are extremely wealthy, and quite possibly also in positions of power in industry. Aston is a second rank university, alongside Loughborough and Surrey.
I am a Nottingham graduate. If this were a square-go I'd expect Nottingham to come out on top. But it isn't that if the OP is happy enough to live at home in Birmingham if attending Aston (a signifcant financial saving) and wants that year in industry. He as well has the sense that he'd enjoy it there.

I don't think it would be crazy for the OP to choose Aston over Nottingham, no. Probably quite sensible.
Original post by cambio wechsel
I am a Nottingham graduate. If this were a square-go I'd expect Nottingham to come out on top. But it isn't that if the OP is happy enough to live at home in Birmingham if attending Aston (a signifcant financial saving) and wants that year in industry. He as well has the sense that he'd enjoy it there.

I don't think it would be crazy for the OP to choose Aston over Nottingham, no. Probably quite sensible.


It depends how big their ego is. A Russell Group university is a big deal to some, and only Liverpool and QUB (in my opinion) don't deserve to be in that group. There isn't really much to see at Aston, except for a few high rise buildings. Nottingham has a lovely main campus that beats almost all universities for beauty.
i'd say Nottingham
Original post by Magic Streets
A Russell Group university is a big deal to some


Some idiots, perhaps.

But I don't believe it anyway. When Exeter, Durham and York joined three years ago, did anyone think “now I can consider these ones as well"? If Imperial were to leave, would anyone scratch it from his list? They like the universities, not the Russell Group.

I'm the graduate of three RG universities and I have always thought it was bent and now feel it should probably be banned. When it was only a lobby group it was bad enough; since the introduction of fees, it looks more like a cartel. Certainly it is not the students' friend.
Original post by cambio wechsel
Some idiots, perhaps.

But I don't believe it anyway. When Exeter, Durham and York joined three years ago, did anyone think “now I can consider these ones as well"? If Imperial were to leave, would anyone scratch it from his list? They like the universities, not the Russell Group.

I'm the graduate of three RG universities and I have always thought it was bent and now feel it should probably be banned. When it was only a lobby group it was bad enough; since the introduction of fees, it looks more like a cartel. Certainly it is not the students' friend.


When Exeter, Durham, QMUL and York joined, it was met with great acclaim on both sides. They were given entry based on merit. The Russell Group protects the interests of the the most research intensive universities that contribute much to our economy.
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Original post by Magic Streets
When Exeter, Durham, QMUL and York joined, it was met with great acclaim on both sides.


You mean by management? I can't speak for the other three but at York it was received by staff and students with very mixed feelings indeed.

Original post by Magic Streets
The Russell Group protects the interests of the the most research intensive universities that contribute much to our economy.


protects them against whom and in whose interest?
Original post by cambio wechsel
Some idiots, perhaps.

But I don't believe it anyway. When Exeter, Durham and York joined three years ago, did anyone think “now I can consider these ones as well"? If Imperial were to leave, would anyone scratch it from his list? They like the universities, not the Russell Group.

I'm the graduate of three RG universities and I have always thought it was bent and now feel it should probably be banned. When it was only a lobby group it was bad enough; since the introduction of fees, it looks more like a cartel. Certainly it is not the students' friend.


Yeah I agree. Obviously all its member are good universities but it's effectively just a marketing slogan. I discovered(by chance after firming) that Leicester actually refused an invite to join when it was formed.
What were the grade offers of the two different uni's?
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Original post by Magic Streets
St Andrews attracts a lot of students whose parents are extremely wealthy, and quite possibly also in positions of power in industry. Aston is a second rank university, alongside Loughborough and Surrey.


This is a load of *******s. You bang on about "facts" but then repeatedly spurt around your opinion like it's "fact".

OP:
My perspective is as a CS grad that has already spent a year doing a PhD at another institution and will soon be moving into industry. Something that hasn't been discussed here is the actual content of the course which does have a big bearing on future prospects. For example would like a more "practical" degree that would easily get you a Software Dev. job or prefer something a bit more theoretical. Many universities definitely have a bias towards either being practical/theoretical with some giving you more flexibility in being balanced - you will need to consider the content of the course.

From my point of view, prestige is something that actually means jack if you're hoping to go into industry straight after; academia is a bit different and may place a stronger reliance on previous institutions' prestige.

From what I've seen, employers within CS want evidence of good grades and enthusiasm for the subject (i.e. going to loads of hackathons and stuff) both of which are heavily detached from the prestige of the university. I've drawn this from a fair few application processes since graduating as well as observing the rest of my year group doing the same.

Although this is all well and good, you will be spending the next 3/4 years of your life at this place so you want to go to an environment that you enjoy being in. This can have a large effect on your achievement.

TL;DR: balance between course content and environment, prestige should be at the bottom of your priority list.
Original post by Oxy
This is a load of *******s. You bang on about "facts" but then repeatedly spurt around your opinion like it's "fact".

OP:
My perspective is as a CS grad that has already spent a year doing a PhD at another institution and will soon be moving into industry. Something that hasn't been discussed here is the actual content of the course which does have a big bearing on future prospects. For example would like a more "practical" degree that would easily get you a Software Dev. job or prefer something a bit more theoretical. Many universities definitely have a bias towards either being practical/theoretical with some giving you more flexibility in being balanced - you will need to consider the content of the course.

From my point of view, prestige is something that actually means jack if you're hoping to go into industry straight after; academia is a bit different and may place a stronger reliance on previous institutions' prestige.

From what I've seen, employers within CS want evidence of good grades and enthusiasm for the subject (i.e. going to loads of hackathons and stuff) both of which are heavily detached from the prestige of the university. I've drawn this from a fair few application processes since graduating as well as observing the rest of my year group doing the same.

Although this is all well and good, you will be spending the next 3/4 years of your life at this place so you want to go to an environment that you enjoy being in. This can have a large effect on your achievement.

TL;DR: balance between course content and environment, prestige should be at the bottom of your priority list.


Aston is a second rank university, that is my opinion. I also look at Aston's performance in the World rankings, and in REF, both of which confirm what I think. And St Andrews usually has more wealthy students going there than any other university in the UK, of which there is also evidence to back it up.
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Reply 73
Original post by Spratty
I want to do computer science, and I have received offers from Aston and Nottingham. Both are ranked in the top 30 respectively, with Aston in the top 10 for computer science in the Guardian rankings. I know that these rankings must be taken with a pinch of salt, however, this shows that Aston's computer science department is respected and can teach to a certain degree.

Now Nottingham has a better campus, is Russell group, and is seen as the better university on the whole in terms of prestige and reputation.

Nottingham and Aston both have fairly good computer science departments, however I feel as if I would have a better experience at Aston. Smaller university, more sociable. Very close to where I live, so no need of accomodation.

Would firming Aston be crazy, seeing as it is generally the less 'prestigious' uni?

I would have a better experience there as opposed to Nottingham. I'm from birmimgham and Aston is slap bang in the centre of Birmingham, I would have a better experience there.

I'll also be doing a year in industry at Aston so I'll have that much needed experience when I finish my degree.

Thanks!

Aston University which is about 1.5 miles past Aston- It is very near the City center there is a few pubs around if that has any bearing- but i would generally go to Digbeth
Reply 74
theres a 6k difference in salary between notts and aston. go with nottingham dude.

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I would go Nottingham tbh
It sounds like you already have your mind set on Aston but you are only asking for reassurance :tongue: But I personally would choose Nottingham over Aston and there are many reasons for it. However, the main reason, like it or not, is that I think 'the Nottingham brand' does carry more prestige and its graduates also tend to do pretty well in the job market quite consistently! I had an offer from Nottingham when I was applying for unis but didn't end up firming it. It's still a good uni nonetheless! :h: Hope this helps!
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Original post by Magic Streets
St Andrews attracts a lot of students whose parents are extremely wealthy, and quite possibly also in positions of power in industry. Aston is a second rank university, alongside Loughborough and Surrey.


Original post by Oxy
This is a load of *******s. You bang on about "facts" but then repeatedly spurt around your opinion like it's "fact".


Actually, it's not a complete load of bs. St Andrews, back in 2014, had the second highest proportion of it's student coming from a private school. Oxford was first. 58.9% of their students were from state schools and 41.1% of their students were from private schools. In general, students who go to private schools generally tend to have wealthier parents so it isn't unheard of that it may attract students with wealthier parents more. However, I do not know about his statement of the people that in positions of power. Whilst it isn't 2014 right now, it is safe to assume they still most likely have a relatively higher proportion of private students compared to most other institutions.
Source: You can read about it here http://thetab.com/2014/03/31/revealed-top-ten-unis-for-privately-educated-students-13322
The statistics come from the Higher Education Statistics Agency.
Certainly Nottingham
Reply 79
Original post by LightAtTheEnd
Actually, it's not a complete load of bs. St Andrews, back in 2014, had the second highest proportion of it's student coming from a private school. Oxford was first. 58.9% of their students were from state schools and 41.1% of their students were from private schools. In general, students who go to private schools generally tend to have wealthier parents so it isn't unheard of that it may attract students with wealthier parents more. However, I do not know about his statement of the people that in positions of power. Whilst it isn't 2014 right now, it is safe to assume they still most likely have a relatively higher proportion of private students compared to most other institutions.
Source: You can read about it here http://thetab.com/2014/03/31/revealed-top-ten-unis-for-privately-educated-students-13322
The statistics come from the Higher Education Statistics Agency.


They had a high proportion of privately-educated students, so what? That doesn't indicate "extreme wealth" at all. You don't have to be a millionaire to send your kid to a private school.

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