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    As I can't stand GW Bush a Republican and his foreign policies. I thought Bill Clinton was okay. If I was American I would support Hilary Clinton or Obama who are Democrats.
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    I'm a Tory but I support the Republicans.
    *Expects to get flamed*
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    The Republican are an absolute state. I'm a Tory and I'd likely vote Democrat. I liked Clinton, I'd have voted him in for a second term certainly. I supported Gore over Bush. A choice between John Kerry and George Bush just made me ignore the whole think entirely in 2004.

    That said, there are positive forces within the Republicans. I, like every other internet nutter, have a bit of a soft spot for Ron Paul - but he won't get anywhere.

    So yes, I'm not really partisan when it comes to US politics.
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    Since going to uni, I've gone the tory way. The left-wingers really do drive you to it!

    that said, I've been following Barack Obama a fair bit on the ol' internet, and i think that with him as president, then it would be beneficial. He seems to care about America, and i believe that he'd adopt a sensible foreign policy.
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    You seem to be missing the point of voting. You vote for the party, not the person.
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    (Original post by Matteh)
    You seem to be missing the point of voting. You vote for the party, not the person.
    It depends what the election system is like, and how you're voting.

    For local elections, you are voting more for the people. So I'm likely to ask myself "Is Joan Humble going to do a decent job?" rather than asking about Gordon Brown. However, in the case of a general election, it is about the party.
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    (Original post by BlackpoolCraig)
    Since going to uni, I've gone the tory way. The left-wingers really do drive you to it!

    that said, I've been following Barack Obama a fair bit on the ol' internet, and i think that with him as president, then it would be beneficial. He seems to care about America, and i believe that he'd adopt a sensible foreign policy.
    Those left-wingers and their dreadful empathy!
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    (Original post by punktopia)
    Those left-wingers and their dreadful empathy!
    Well, it's more the sharing, goodwill, and all that, that I object to!

    It's more a case of the fact that they have die-ins in the square every day, and all the other kind of stuff that is ideological and fun, yet unrealistic, and won't accomplish anything. Oh, that and all the marxism!
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    (Original post by BlackpoolCraig)
    Well, it's more the sharing, goodwill, and all that, that I object to!

    It's more a case of the fact that they have die-ins in the square every day, and all the other kind of stuff that is ideological and fun, yet unrealistic, and won't accomplish anything. Oh, that and all the marxism!
    Tell Chavez it's unrealistic.
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    (Original post by punktopia)
    Those left-wingers and their dreadful empathy!
    Ah yes, socialist empathy - the art of forcing other people to empathise with their own money whilst you live comfortably.
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    (Original post by Libertin du Nord)
    Ah yes, socialist empathy - the art of forcing other people to empathise with their own money whilst you live comfortably.
    Bizarre. There's just no defence for tories, you know you're selfish human beings on some deep level, we know, the world knows. Perhaps you care for the few white middle-class friends and family that you can benefit from on some emotional or materialistic level, but the rest of the world can go drown themselves eh?
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    (Original post by punktopia)
    Tell Chavez it's unrealistic.
    I don't think you could teach Chavez a great deal considering he is a raving authoritarian demagogue.

    As criticism of him, it would also be grounds for a foreigner to be deported from his country... although I imagine a few broken bones on the way wouldn't be beyond him.
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    (Original post by Libertin du Nord)
    I don't think you could teach Chavez a great deal considering he is a raving authoritarian demagogue.

    As criticism of him, it would also be grounds for a foreigner to be deported from his country... although I imagine a few broken bones on the way wouldn't be beyond him.
    The anti-socialist Western media portrays him in such a good light, don't you think?
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    (Original post by HertfordshireBoy)
    As I can't stand GW Bush a Republican and his foreign policies. I thought Bill Clinton was okay. If I was American I would support Hilary Clinton or Obama who are Democrats.
    I don't see how any sensible non-leftist can support Obama. The guy is one of the 10 most leftist US senators, opposes free trade, wants to nationalize healthcare, has virtually no political experience (and none in an executive role), and doesn't know what a foreign policy is if it hit him in the head. So if you want increased global protectionism, increased fluctuations of the dollar and the pound due to a far higher US deficit, and a directionless foreign policy (though Obama did threaten to invade Pakistan, being the good pacifist that he is), then Obama is your guy. As for Hillary Clinton, I don't think Hillary Clinton knows what Hillary Clinton stands for.

    (Original post by punktopia)
    The anti-socialist Western media portrays him in such a good light, don't you think?
    Yes, because the main concern of the Western media (which always acts in concert!) is to discredit the leader of a country a vast majority of Westerners never heard of. And of course the quadrupling of the price of oil had nothing to do with Chavez being able to finance his insane economic schemes.
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    (Original post by punktopia)
    Bizarre. There's just no defence for tories, you know you're selfish human beings on some deep level, we know, the world knows.
    The fact that we define property does not mean that we dictate in any way how it is used. I could spend all my money on giving to charitable causes - plenty of capitalists have - and still espouse a belief in property.

    The selfish label is sheer presumptious nonsense coming from a few arrogant, blinkered supporters of a dying ideology. You're the ones who tell people how to act, we are the ones who have some trust in human nature and - shockingly - it usually works.

    Perhaps you care for the few white middle-class friends and family that you can benefit from on some emotional or materialistic level, but the rest of the world can go drown themselves eh?
    Actually, as an internationalist I believe socialists are doing far more harm to the real poor in the world than any conservative or liberal has ever done. Basically the British socialist movement is engaged in a fight to defend the enormously privileged position of the British working class, at the expense of the rest of the globe.
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    (Original post by punktopia)
    The anti-socialist Western media portrays him in such a good light, don't you think?
    At least we have the right to have an anti-socialist media. Either way, I don't care how individual publications portray him: we have the liberty to publish and read whatever the hell we want.

    Anyway, I don't think you can portray someone like him in a positive light.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Yes, because the main concern of the Western media (which always acts in concert!) is to discredit the leader of a country a vast majority of Westerners never heard of. And of course the quadrupling of the price of oil had nothing to do with Chavez being able to finance his insane economic schemes.
    Yeah, America would never mess around with socialist states. They certainly didn't do that in Chile.
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    (Original post by punktopia)
    Yeah, America would never mess around with socialist states. They certainly didn't do that in Chile.
    Yes, we all know that the US government controls all the world's media. Poor Chavez gets attacked for firing political opponents from government jobs, destroying the independence of the judiciary, destroying a free press, and trying to make himself president for life. What kind of an evil media would do such a thing to such a nice man. And we certainly know that the world in 2007 is the same as the world of 1973.
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    It's funny watching a self-proclaimed anarchist defend one of the greatest authoritarian Statists on earth.
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    (Original post by Libertin du Nord)
    It's funny watching a self-proclaimed anarchist defend one of the greatest authoritarian Statists on earth.
    We both know that a modern "anarchist" is someone who likes getting laid and high, and opposes every action of his own government.
 
 
 
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