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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    You do realise no one in the right mind will support this, right? you have people rioting on streets and out for the person head who made that bill. I get where your coming from, eventrully us humans would have used up all the available space to bury the dead and there will be no more space to bury them. But forcing people to cremate and donate organs is not the answer. Why not just bury them in the sea or something or just send people off in to outer space lol :lol:

    Tbh lets just agree to diagree
    Sending them out to space is just littering. Out to sea is fine other than the fact that you need to then have deadicated sea graveyards because otherwise whenever a body washes up people panic and the you get murderes exploiting these graveyards... mine is the only answer.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    For clarification, we wanted to divert paedophiles' attention from children by giving them access to pornographic drawings depicting children.

    Also, LP favourite? Really? Even after his fumbling with the Ad Hoc issue?
    If the field were only Aph-Nige-Hazzer-LP then yes, there's no doubt.

    Nige is unstable and probably could not talk himself into the job even he is talented, Hazzer is a more unknown for wider house ideas and although i trust Aph's personality i think that the extremity of his views would make it hard for him to be truly impartial, i question whether he'd shut down a dead socialist party for example.

    In such a crowd, i would offer strong odds on a LP victory.

    ...........

    As it is though.. Adam is the clear favourate.
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    (Original post by mr T 999)
    When you prevent people from practicing their religion,culture or tradtions your taking away their freedom, its a free country after all. Just like you have the right to your atheistic views so why can't everyone eles? So your saying dead aren't important, so it wouldn't bother you if your mum got cremated and someone pee on your mum ashes? because the dead aren't important after all
    To Aph the family is irrational and all children should be taken by the state at birth.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    To Aph the family is irrational and all children should be taken by the state at birth.
    No... I've always maintained that the only way for proper right wing ideology to be enacted you need to do that because otherwise you are lies and htpocrites

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    No... I've always maintained that the only way for proper right wing ideology to be enacted you need to do that because otherwise you are lies and htpocrites

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    What? (actual) authoritarian rightism is about as rare as (actual) libertarian leftism.

    By nature of the two ideologies, the left is intrinsically tied to collectivism, the great collective cannot exist without a state. The right is intrinsically tied to individualism, essentially "live and let live"; "do what you want" and the old classic "laissez-faire."

    Could you explain why individualism requires a state without being hypocritical?
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    Good luck to all who run for Speaker. It's hard work but a positive experience.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    What? (actual) authoritarian rightism is about as rare as (actual) libertarian leftism.

    By nature of the two ideologies, the left is intrinsically tied to collectivism, the great collective cannot exist without a state. The right is intrinsically tied to individualism, essentially "live and let live"; "do what you want" and the old classic "laissez-faire."

    Could you explain why individualism requires a state without being hypocritical?
    Right wing ideology says that anyone can be a success if they work hard enough and earn it. That requires that children don't get an advantage from their parents money or contacts because otherwise you have an eletist system where the people at the bottom are pushed down constantly until they revolt.

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    Right wing ideology says that anyone can be a success if they work hard enough and earn it. That requires that children don't get an advantage from their parents money or contacts because otherwise you have an eletist system where the people at the bottom are pushed down constantly until they revolt.

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    Do you honestly think a top firm in any industry would hire a feckless idiot that got there because of their parents?

    The left always bang on about capitalists being greedy and profit driven, surely if someone that feckless got employed they would surely just get sacked?

    Another leftist contradiction and myth, rich people still need to put in the hard work, here's a fact for you:

    Most of the top 4% in the country weren't there 10 years ago and they won't be there in 10 years either, there's humongous income mobility if you have the work rate for it.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Do you honestly think a top firm in any industry would hire a feckless idiot that got there because of their parents?

    The left always bang on about capitalists being greedy and profit driven, surely if someone that feckless got employed they would surely just get sacked?

    Another leftist contradiction and myth, rich people still need to put in the hard work, here's a fact for you:

    Most of the top 4% in the country weren't there 10 years ago and they won't be there in 10 years either, there's humongous income mobility if you have the work rate for it.
    Yes and they do.

    Nope. You have clearly never worked a day in your life or never experienced nephatism.

    We aren't talking about the top 4... we are talking about the top 1,

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    Yes and they do.

    Nope. You have clearly never worked a day in your life or never experienced nephatism.

    We aren't talking about the top 4... we are talking about the top 1,

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    I assume you mean nepotism.

    You still evaded my point, if capitalists are greedy and driven by profit, then why would they employ idiots with a terrible work rate that would just cause profits to fall, better to have a more productive worker in their place.

    So either Capitalists are greedy and driven by profit, or they practice nepotism en masse, take your pick.

    I just showed you that believing in both is a contraction, so pick one and I'll show you from your answer why capitalism > socialism.
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    I assume you mean nepotism.

    You still evaded my point, if capitalists are greedy and driven by profit, then why would they employ idiots with a terrible work rate that would just cause profits to fall, better to have a more productive worker in their place.

    So either Capitalists are greedy and driven by profit, or they practice nepotism en masse, take your pick.

    I just showed you that believing in both is a contraction, so pick one and I'll show you from your answer why capitalism > socialism.
    Because they want their family to make money and because other workers rally around weaker ones.

    And just to reiterate my point, to be in the top 4% you have to be earning at least £78,800 so basically an MP, Doctor, high ranking teacher or university professor could be in that bracket.
    To be in the top 2% you have to be earning £110,000 so a head teacher, head of a university, high ranking surgeon or civil servant and bankers are here.
    To be in the top 0.1% you have to be earning over £1,000,000. So your statistic literally means nothing. Because you are just talking about relatively high up official in public office who have made getting to that point a career. The very top rarely fall and pass their wealth directly on to their children. If you claim to want equality of opportunity you can't let that happen.

    They aren't a contradiction. A child being promoted though your ranks and prevented from doing too much harm because everyone cleans up their messes for them as they don't want to loose their job earns the family more money.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Because they want their family to make money and because other workers rally around weaker ones.

    And just to reiterate my point, to be in the top 4% you have to be earning at least £78,800 so basically an MP, Doctor, high ranking teacher or university professor could be in that bracket.
    To be in the top 2% you have to be earning £110,000 so a head teacher, head of a university, high ranking surgeon or civil servant and bankers are here.
    To be in the top 0.1% you have to be earning over £1,000,000. So your statistic literally means nothing. Because you are just talking about relatively high up official in public office who have made getting to that point a career. The very top rarely fall and pass their wealth directly on to their children. If you claim to want equality of opportunity you can't let that happen.

    They aren't a contradiction. A child being promoted though your ranks and prevented from doing too much harm because everyone cleans up their messes for them as they don't want to loose their job earns the family more money.
    How exactly? Surely having people clean up their mess means that those people are spending less time doing their own jobs, probably being paid more as well as the idiot getting their salary which still equals less profit. Dreadful counter-argument.

    "There is a serious tendency towards capitalism among the well-to-do peasants." - Chairman Mao

    This quote just proves that even under a hardline authoritarian communist regime, capitalism is still desired by the majority, it is the natural state of being and therefore doesn't require state intervention to be preserved, socialism as the antithesis of capitalism by extension always requires a big state to be preserved.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    How exactly? Surely having people clean up their mess means that those people are spending less time doing their own jobs, probably being paid more as well as the idiot getting their salary which still equals less profit. Dreadful counter-argument.

    "There is a serious tendency towards capitalism among the well-to-do peasants." - Chairman Mao

    This quote just proves that even under a hardline authoritarian communist regime, capitalism is still desired by the majority, it is the natural state of being and therefore doesn't require state intervention to be preserved, socialism as the antithesis of capitalism by extension always requires a big state to be preserved.
    No, generally it means they are taking their work home, getting more stressed and becoming less satisfied.

    So you are saying that a quote by a man is proof? Well I can see you haven't benifited from a good education... and no actually. Socialism existed before capitalism did so it most definitely isn't the 'natural order'
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    Then decided to make Mad Dog leader of the MUN
    Blimey, that's a blast from the past. Totally forgot about that interesting little episode.
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    I don't see why Aph's politics have any impact on his ability to be Speaker or not.


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I don't see why Aph's politics have any impact on his ability to be Speaker or not.


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    Exactly. It's just a slur Because they are all afraid that I will beet them.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Right wing ideology says that anyone can be a success if they work hard enough and earn it. That requires that children don't get an advantage from their parents money or contacts because otherwise you have an eletist system where the people at the bottom are pushed down constantly until they revolt.

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    It isn't though, all you have to do is look at the world around you to see that even with opening inequality the ideals of a right wing ideology can have the bottom rise to the top, and it certainly does not guarantee the top stay at the top, and those revolutions don't exactly go well, there really are very few successful revolutions against capitalism (basically just Cuba)
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    It isn't though, all you have to do is look at the world around you to see that even with opening inequality the ideals of a right wing ideology can have the bottom rise to the top, and it certainly does not guarantee the top stay at the top, and those revolutions don't exactly go well, there really are very few successful revolutions against capitalism (basically just Cuba)
    The best revolution needs to be on a large scale as I have always said. A single anti-capitalist country can't survive in a capitalist world. You need to slowly build a network where you share people and resources with other communists and slowly intergrate governments too.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    No, generally it means they are taking their work home, getting more stressed and becoming less satisfied.

    So you are saying that a quote by a man is proof? Well I can see you haven't benifited from a good education... and no actually. Socialism existed before capitalism did so it most definitely isn't the 'natural order'
    Stress and dissatisfaction can lead to lower productivity and possibly even resignation, which leads to less profit compared to just hiring a capable worker in the first place, there you go, you just admitted it yourself there that capitalists cannot be greedy and profit driven while pursuing nepotism as well.

    I don't appreciate the personal attack, you haven't seen me comment on your spelling as of yet, aside from once when I genuinely didn't understand what you meant, I quoted Mao as he is a communist, when even brutal authoritarian, murderous communists are admitting that most people are content with and want capitalism, then you should really start to question the practicality of socialism.

    But thanks Aph, you just typified the left in this debate, get your theory disproved, get angry and drop an ad hominem, piss funny.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I don't see why Aph's politics have any impact on his ability to be Speaker or not.


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    I agree, I just jumped in after seeing a post by Aph that I strongly disagreed with and it's just snowballed from there.
 
 
 
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