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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Stress and dissatisfaction can lead to lower productivity and possibly even resignation, which leads to less profit compared to just hiring a capable worker in the first place, there you go, you just admitted it yourself there that capitalists cannot be greedy and profit driven while pursuing nepotism as well.

    I don't appreciate the personal attack, you haven't seen me comment on your spelling as of yet, aside from once when I genuinely didn't understand what you meant, I quoted Mao as he is a communist, when even brutal authoritarian, murderous communists are admitting that most people are content with and want capitalism, then you should really start to question the practicality of socialism.

    But thanks Aph, you just typified the left in this debate, get your theory disproved, get angry and drop an ad hominem, piss funny.
    I've told you that the two are not mutually exclusive.

    Well it isn't evidence. I don't know the contex and to be perfectly honest most people are so unaware and uneducated they just don't know what they want and don't have cohearent ideas. These people are often on the right and just have been told to accept the status quo.

    Also not an ad hominem as I still attacking the argument. Just because I attack your use of it doesn't make it an ad hominem.
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    Exactly. It's just a slur Because they are all afraid that I will beet them.
    Don't get me wrong mate, I think people could easily make valid arguments against you being speaker I just find it odd it's your politics that's being attacked


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    Don't get me wrong mate, I think people could easily make valid arguments against you being speaker I just find it odd it's your politics that's being attacked


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    (Original post by Aph)
    I've told you that the two are not mutually exclusive.

    Well it isn't evidence. I don't know the contex and to be perfectly honest most people are so unaware and uneducated they just don't know what they want and don't have cohearent ideas. These people are often on the right and just have been told to accept the status quo.

    Also not an ad hominem as I still attacking the argument. Just because I attack your use of it doesn't make it an ad hominem.
    But at that point the status quo in China wasn't capitalism the whole point of using that quote was to deflect that argument.

    China went from feudalism (which Marx himself described as a different economic stage to capitalism) to communism.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I've told you that the two are not mutually exclusive.

    Well it isn't evidence. I don't know the contex and to be perfectly honest most people are so unaware and uneducated they just don't know what they want and don't have cohearent ideas. These people are often on the right and just have been told to accept the status quo.

    Also not an ad hominem as I still attacking the argument. Just because I attack your use of it doesn't make it an ad hominem.
    Also it was an ad hominem as you referenced my education:

    "Well I can see you have not benefitted from a good education," - how is that related to the debate?
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    But at that point the status quo in China wasn't capitalism the whole point of using that quote was to deflect that argument.

    China went from feudalism (which Marx himself described as a different economic stage to capitalism) to communism.
    I cannot comment too much because I'm not too caught up on my Chinese history, however as I understand it china did have at least some sort of capitalism before (thinking about tea and the opium wars which are examples of China's struggle between capitalism and communism.) and again you get to the point that people don't know what they really want, the grass is always greener ect. It also has to be noted that they were under an oppressive regime so maybe the want for capitalism, if it existed, was actually the manifestation for the want of change but just conflating the two.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Don't get me wrong mate, I think people could easily make valid arguments against you being speaker I just find it odd it's your politics that's being attacked

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    Politics impacts a candidates philosophy as speaker. Can Aph (an extreme lefty) really be relied upon to see the benefits of competition, to be ruthless enough to remove a party from the market.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Politics impacts a candidates philosophy as speaker. Can Aph (an extreme lefty) really be relied upon to see the benefits of competition, to be ruthless enough to remove a party from the market.
    You do remember faland right???
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    (Original post by Aph)
    The best revolution needs to be on a large scale as I have always said. A single anti-capitalist country can't survive in a capitalist world. You need to slowly build a network where you share people and resources with other communists and slowly intergrate governments too.
    When I say failed, I don't !ran failed to revolutionise the whole world, or failed to stay in power for very long, I mean completely crushed, like most rebellions.

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    When I say failed, I don't !ran failed to revolutionise the whole world, or failed to stay in power for very long, I mean completely crushed, like most rebellions.

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    Then you have to include Russia as well.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Then you have to include Russia as well.
    Seems you're as bad at Russian history as Chinese, feudalism again, it was the cessation of the reforms towards a more liberal Democratic state that heavily contributed towards the revolution.

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    (Original post by Aph)
    The best revolution needs to be on a large scale as I have always said. A single anti-capitalist country can't survive in a capitalist world. You need to slowly build a network where you share people and resources with other communists and slowly intergrate governments too.
    Filthy Trot.
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    (Original post by SoggyCabbages)
    Filthy Trot.
    Not really, other than permanent revolution my views don't line up with Trotskyism that much.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Not really, other than permanent revolution my views don't line up with Trotskyism that much.
    Suggesting permanent revolution means you sympathise with Trotsky somewhat, even if it is minuscule, with means you're a filthy Trot.

    Gulag please.
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    (Original post by SoggyCabbages)
    Suggesting permanent revolution means you sympathise with Trotsky somewhat, even if it is minuscule, with means you're a filthy Trot.

    Gulag please.

    Well I'm glad that you are volunteering for the gulag, admitted you have the problem is the first step so I'm hopeful for your future.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Well I'm glad that you are volunteering for the gulag, admitted you have the problem is the first step so I'm hopeful for your future.
    You want me to die so you, a part of the government, can have my nationalised dead body.

    Great idea.
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    Blimey, that's a blast from the past. Totally forgot about that interesting little episode.
    'Interesting' just isn't the word to describe that episode. Could think of others!
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    'Interesting' just isn't the word to describe that episode. Could think of others!
    True, me too!
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Because they want their family to make money and because other workers rally around weaker ones.

    And just to reiterate my point, to be in the top 4% you have to be earning at least £78,800 so basically an MP, Doctor, high ranking teacher or university professor could be in that bracket.
    To be in the top 2% you have to be earning £110,000 so a head teacher, head of a university, high ranking surgeon or civil servant and bankers are here.
    To be in the top 0.1% you have to be earning over £1,000,000. So your statistic literally means nothing. Because you are just talking about relatively high up official in public office who have made getting to that point a career. The very top rarely fall and pass their wealth directly on to their children. If you claim to want equality of opportunity you can't let that happen.

    They aren't a contradiction. A child being promoted though your ranks and prevented from doing too much harm because everyone cleans up their messes for them as they don't want to loose their job earns the family more money.
    Most millionaires are self made , look at the stats!
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    Most millionaires are self made , look at the stats!
    Then they relied on the state even more than the those that aren't 'self-made' and should be even more ready to contribute.
 
 
 
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