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    (Original post by paul514)
    Nope I still want an answer


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    You can't handle the truth.
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    (Original post by Waiser)
    I can confidently say that UK wont exist much after Brexit. Scotland wants to stay in the EU so does Northern Ireland. Even wales is considering to leave the UK as a independent country and i have heard ideas going around as London alone gaining independence and joining the EU due to its highly "Stay in EU" vote polls. So before we think of anything else, we should first think of that.
    Which is why independence polling is consistently showing an even stronger in result than in the 2014 referendum, there is no real secessionist movement in Wales or London, and in Northern Ireland there are about as many people who want direct rule as there are that want secession?
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    There is no good analogy or precedent. I was thinking perhaps Guinée opting out of the French union under de Gaulle's referendum, but Ahmed Sékou Touré went straight for a Soviet model, at least that was a clear idea for a way ahead. It can't even be a return to the 1920s and 30s, because Britain was a great power then, and international relations were obviously very different; the 1950s and 60s were no picnic for Britain either, growth really accelerated once it had joined the EU. The "special relationship" with America also didn't count for squat beyond symbolism, as the Suez crisis demonstrated.

    All Britain has are the empty, superficial slogans connected to Brexit, which have about as much substance and truth to them as Trump's promises. No one has left the EU like this, the largest market in the world with a political framework that is stabilizing to all its neighbors. It is an unprecedented disaster and the start of a long decline.
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    Brexit means Brexit, and it's going to be a red white and blue Brexit. It'll be the best deal for Britain. Brexit.

    Obviously.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    You can't handle the truth.
    Alright jack


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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Which is why independence polling is consistently showing an even stronger in result than in the 2014 referendum, there is no real secessionist movement in Wales or London, and in Northern Ireland there are about as many people who want direct rule as there are that want secession?
    I am sorry, what is the question?
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    (Original post by Waiser)
    I am sorry, what is the question?
    How is the total break up of the UK into Scotland, Wales, NI, London, and the rest of England imminent when all the evidence points to the complete opposite? Or is this one of those "year long recession" statements?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    How is the total break up of the UK into Scotland, Wales, NI, London, and the rest of England imminent when all the evidence points to the complete opposite? Or is this one of those "year long recession" statements?
    I am not sure where you got your evidence from. However I was talking about what the governments would want rather than what the public votes for. It is expected for the governments to want to stay in the EU for obvious reasons.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...endum-break-up

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7120246.html

    http://www.dw.com/en/northern-irelan...ote/a-19359521
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    (Original post by cambio wechsel)
    The accurate answer is surely Wales. A bit poorer, a bit more embattled, a bit whiter and a bit more socially conservative.
    I agree with two and four, although the wealth aspect really depends on how Whitehall perform after we finally unlatch ourselves (I don't care much about the deal with the EU itself, its living on borrowed time). There's also no reason to suggest that we'd be whiter. Our natural global allies (not including the USA) are the Commonwealth, which is full of black and brown people. If we loosen skilled immigration requirements from those countries rather than unfettered immigration from primarily white Europe (which I support, and I think most Brits do) the country may actually become more ethnically diverse.
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    (Original post by Waiser)
    I am not sure where you got your evidence from. However I was talking about what the governments would want rather than what the public votes for. It is expected for the governments to want to stay in the EU for obvious reasons.
    So you're arguing an irrelevance?

    As for sources:

    scotland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propos...pinion_polling
    Wales: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_...pinion_polling
    Northern Ireland (the most informative, carried out by QUB and UNiversity of Belfast):

    London, well, it's even more of a joke than Welsh independence so there is basically no polling, the little polling there is however:
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...ce_Website.pdf
    The support for abolition of the London Assembly is about the same as support of independence.
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7120246.html

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...endum-break-up

    http://www.dw.com/en/northern-irelan...ote/a-19359521


    Each link is for one. There are several other links and REAL sources you can find which are more reliable. These ones were the first ones that came up. Looking at the graph you posted, its only comes up to 2014. So relevance to current Brexit situations is quite weak.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So you're arguing an irrelevance?

    As for sources:

    scotland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propos...pinion_polling
    Wales: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_...pinion_polling
    Northern Ireland (the most informative, carried out by QUB and UNiversity of Belfast):

    London, well, it's even more of a joke than Welsh independence so there is basically no polling, the little polling there is however:
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...ce_Website.pdf
    The support for abolition of the London Assembly is about the same as support of independence.
    I am sorry, i just realized that i sounded a bit too offensive and defensive. It wasn't meant to be like that.
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    (Original post by Waiser)
    I can confidently say that UK wont exist much after Brexit. Scotland wants to stay in the EU so does Northern Ireland. Even wales is considering to leave the UK as a independent country and i have heard ideas going around as London alone gaining independence and joining the EU due to its highly "Stay in EU" vote polls. So before we think of anything else, we should first think of that.
    Realistically, despite all her blather, Sturgeon has little chance of separating off Scotland from whatever is done. The truth is that Scotland is leaving the EU as well and they can't do a great deal about it.

    Our best chance of changing things is to remove the madcap government we have right now and the Scots don't help with that by voting SNP.
 
 
 
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