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There is one in France already.
Time to introduce one here?
There is one in France already.
Time to introduce one here?
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I don't think that we should. Women (and men if they want to), should be entitled to wear a burka, but they must reveal their faces for police if requested. I think businesses and such should also be able to, for security reasons, refuse entry to someone who has their face covered (not specifically the burqa). Ultimately though, I think it important that we allow people the freedom to choose what they wear.
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In terms of actual practicality, I don't see any need to ban a piece of cloth.
These sorts of suggestions from politicians just seem to be ways to gain a few votes from those sectors of society that harbour anti-foreign, anti-immigration and anti-Islamic sentiment.
After that they need to come up with whatever pretexts for it they can find. (At first it was the idea of liberating all these oppressed women who are forced to wear the burqa against their will, but that one doesn't seem to have worked so well...)
These sorts of suggestions from politicians just seem to be ways to gain a few votes from those sectors of society that harbour anti-foreign, anti-immigration and anti-Islamic sentiment.
After that they need to come up with whatever pretexts for it they can find. (At first it was the idea of liberating all these oppressed women who are forced to wear the burqa against their will, but that one doesn't seem to have worked so well...)
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Finally, Merkel talks a bit of sense. It's way too late now, unfortunately - Germany has sunk too low to be rescued.
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(Original post by tazarooni89)
In terms of actual practicality, I don't see any need to ban a piece of cloth.
These sorts of suggestions from politicians just seem to be ways to gain a few votes from those sectors of society that harbour anti-foreign, anti-immigration and anti-Islamic sentiment.
After that they need to come up with whatever pretexts for it they can find. (At first it was the idea of liberating all these oppressed women who are forced to wear the burqa against their will, but that one doesn't seem to have worked so well...)
In terms of actual practicality, I don't see any need to ban a piece of cloth.
These sorts of suggestions from politicians just seem to be ways to gain a few votes from those sectors of society that harbour anti-foreign, anti-immigration and anti-Islamic sentiment.
After that they need to come up with whatever pretexts for it they can find. (At first it was the idea of liberating all these oppressed women who are forced to wear the burqa against their will, but that one doesn't seem to have worked so well...)
One could make the argument that you can't walk around middle-eastern countries dressed in a bikini, so why should we bend our laws for them?
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(Original post by BioStudentx)
One could make the argument that you can't walk around middle-eastern countries dressed in a bikini, so why should we bend our laws for them?
One could make the argument that you can't walk around middle-eastern countries dressed in a bikini, so why should we bend our laws for them?
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(Original post by BioStudentx)
You couldn't walk into a store wearing a balaclava, so you could make the same argument about the burka. Direct security threat.
You couldn't walk into a store wearing a balaclava, so you could make the same argument about the burka. Direct security threat.
Even coming from a Muslim family myself, there is something about people walking around with their whole face and body covered in black cloth that makes me feel very uncomfortable.
One could make the argument that you can't walk around middle-eastern countries dressed in a bikini, so why should we bend our laws for them?
If we're supposed to be banning British women from wearing the Burqa in retaliation for a bikini ban that they had nothing to do with in some far away country, well... it's obvious why that might seem a bit odd.
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I don't mind burka or any sort of "cover up" clothing as long as those wearing it don't bash me for wearing skirts and tshirts.
Having said that, I heard that in Saudi Arabia and some other Muslim countries you can't wear western "normal clothes" so why should they be allowed wearing their normal clothes?
There's also security reason to ban it as you can hide many stuff underneathburkas
Having said that, I heard that in Saudi Arabia and some other Muslim countries you can't wear western "normal clothes" so why should they be allowed wearing their normal clothes?
There's also security reason to ban it as you can hide many stuff underneathburkas
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(Original post by tazarooni89)
People are already banned from covering their faces where security is of particular importance. This would be nothing new. When we talk about a burqa ban we're referring to a ban from all public places, not just specific areas where there might be heightened security concerns.
Well to be blunt, that's your problem lol... Anyone can feel uncomfortable about seeing anything.
The people wearing burqas here are not "them", who made the laws about bikinis in middle eastern countries. And we would not be "bending our laws" at all - burqas have never been illegal here.
If we're supposed to be banning British women from wearing the Burqa in retaliation for a bikini ban that they had nothing to do with in some far away country, well... it's obvious why that might seem a bit odd.
People are already banned from covering their faces where security is of particular importance. This would be nothing new. When we talk about a burqa ban we're referring to a ban from all public places, not just specific areas where there might be heightened security concerns.
Well to be blunt, that's your problem lol... Anyone can feel uncomfortable about seeing anything.
The people wearing burqas here are not "them", who made the laws about bikinis in middle eastern countries. And we would not be "bending our laws" at all - burqas have never been illegal here.
If we're supposed to be banning British women from wearing the Burqa in retaliation for a bikini ban that they had nothing to do with in some far away country, well... it's obvious why that might seem a bit odd.
You can't get away with doing things just by crying "it's my religion". As you'd like to say, 'that's your problem'. It's a very slippery slope. Someone could argue walking around naked is part of their religion. Obviously, it's a complete contrast and not comparable but there has to be laws and boundaries in a country regardless of peoples superstitions.
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(Original post by The Epicurean)
I don't think that we should. Women (and men if they want to), should be entitled to wear a burka, but they must reveal their faces for police if requested. I think businesses and such should also be able to, for security reasons, refuse entry to someone who has their face covered (not specifically the burqa). Ultimately though, I think it important that we allow people the freedom to choose what they wear.
I don't think that we should. Women (and men if they want to), should be entitled to wear a burka, but they must reveal their faces for police if requested. I think businesses and such should also be able to, for security reasons, refuse entry to someone who has their face covered (not specifically the burqa). Ultimately though, I think it important that we allow people the freedom to choose what they wear.
I should point out too that several majority muslim countries ban or at least heavily discorage the wearing of the burqa, niqab, full veils etc, because they have correctly realised that allowing it only serves to embolden and bolster the more extreme elements in Islam. Our soft touch leaders in the West have yet to figure that out.
Back on topic, Merkel is full of ****. This is nothing but posturing to get re-elected, she would never actually go through with the ban.
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(Original post by The Epicurean)
I don't think that we should. Women (and men if they want to), should be entitled to wear a burka, but they must reveal their faces for police if requested. I think businesses and such should also be able to, for security reasons, refuse entry to someone who has their face covered (not specifically the burqa). Ultimately though, I think it important that we allow people the freedom to choose what they wear.
I don't think that we should. Women (and men if they want to), should be entitled to wear a burka, but they must reveal their faces for police if requested. I think businesses and such should also be able to, for security reasons, refuse entry to someone who has their face covered (not specifically the burqa). Ultimately though, I think it important that we allow people the freedom to choose what they wear.
I don't like the burqa, and I wouldn't want somebody covering their face in my place of business, but out on the street what you wear should be your own damn choice.
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(Original post by BioStudentx)
One could make the argument that you can't walk around middle-eastern countries dressed in a bikini, so why should we bend our laws for them?
One could make the argument that you can't walk around middle-eastern countries dressed in a bikini, so why should we bend our laws for them?
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(Original post by Palmyra)
Because we are better than them, and that's why so many wannabe Islamists live here whilst crying about how corrupt our societies are, actions speak louder than words.
Because we are better than them, and that's why so many wannabe Islamists live here whilst crying about how corrupt our societies are, actions speak louder than words.
"If the Arabs (/Muslims) had the choice between two states, secular and religious, they would vote for the religious and flee to the secular." ~Ali Al-Wardi (Iraqi sociologist)
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#16
(Original post by Wōden)
Nobody would tollerate people wearing Nazi uniforms in public, or Ku Klux Klan robes. Why should we tollerate people wearing items of clothing that are primarily associated with Wahabbism and similar extremist Islamic ideologies, that the majority of people find utterly reprehensible?
Nobody would tollerate people wearing Nazi uniforms in public, or Ku Klux Klan robes. Why should we tollerate people wearing items of clothing that are primarily associated with Wahabbism and similar extremist Islamic ideologies, that the majority of people find utterly reprehensible?
The ideology of Wahhabism intolerant. Why just ban the burqa, why not ban the whole ideology? Where do we draw the line exactly?
I should point out too that several majority muslim countries ban or at least heavily discorage the wearing of the burqa, niqab, full veils etc, because they have correctly realised that allowing it only serves to embolden and bolster the more extreme elements in Islam. Our soft touch leaders in the West have yet to figure that out.
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I don't think she wants to, but she has to in order for her to keep her role as chancellor and to stop her being taken over by right-wingers.
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(Original post by string56)
Reminds me of this quote...
"If the Arabs (/Muslims) had the choice between two states, secular and religious, they would vote for the religious and flee to the secular." ~Ali Al-Wardi (Iraqi sociologist)
Reminds me of this quote...
"If the Arabs (/Muslims) had the choice between two states, secular and religious, they would vote for the religious and flee to the secular." ~Ali Al-Wardi (Iraqi sociologist)
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Oh no, how awful, those emigrating to Germany will have to actual adapt to the culture there.
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Though I do suspect this is an attempt from her to try and ensure she doesn't lose all of her party to the AfD (which is borderline impossible anyway based on how far behind they are in polls).
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Though I do suspect this is an attempt from her to try and ensure she doesn't lose all of her party to the AfD (which is borderline impossible anyway based on how far behind they are in polls).
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(Original post by BioStudentx)
I wouldn't say it's only my problem. In general, people find it uncomfortable when others cover their faces. Even in places where security isn't particularly important, walking around with a covered face is frowned upon. I'm sure many people would find it very uncomfortable walking past someone wearing all black and in a balaclava. I'm just applying this same logic to the burka. Just because it's supposedly part of a religion, it doesn't get immunity from this.
You can't get away with doing things just by crying "it's my religion". As you'd like to say, 'that's your problem'. It's a very slippery slope. Someone could argue walking around naked is part of their religion. Obviously, it's a complete contrast and not comparable but there has to be laws and boundaries in a country regardless of peoples superstitions.
I wouldn't say it's only my problem. In general, people find it uncomfortable when others cover their faces. Even in places where security isn't particularly important, walking around with a covered face is frowned upon. I'm sure many people would find it very uncomfortable walking past someone wearing all black and in a balaclava. I'm just applying this same logic to the burka. Just because it's supposedly part of a religion, it doesn't get immunity from this.
You can't get away with doing things just by crying "it's my religion". As you'd like to say, 'that's your problem'. It's a very slippery slope. Someone could argue walking around naked is part of their religion. Obviously, it's a complete contrast and not comparable but there has to be laws and boundaries in a country regardless of peoples superstitions.
Simply to say "it makes me feel uncomfortable" isn't really much of a reason to ban something, because anybody can say that about anything. So naturally we don't usually go by the principle that as soon as an item of clothing makes a certain number of people a little uncomfortable we ban it.
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