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    (Original post by Damien96)
    It doesn't offend me, I understand moral inconsistency is a tricky thing when you live in a binary world. The several assumptions you made must make life very easy for you and I'm happy you can are able to shrug off concerns about the kidnap and torture of a person as political bias.

    Racism has a way of snowballing, but I would say that, snow is white and I'm only concerned when it's white.
    > Racism has a way of snowballing

    The same slippery slope argument we're seeing in pro-Islam propaganda.
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    (Original post by whorefromvegas)
    You havent denied what ive said but unlike you, I am against racism of all groups of people. But when white conservatives like you are only ever concerned when the victim is white, it undermines the entire fight against racism and makes it seem as if whites are somehow superior. This idea has been ingrained in society for 100s of years in the West.

    And yes, I am obviously disgusted by this. The poor kid was autistic apparently.
    And still you carry on making assumptions. I'm not a white conservative, I'm a liberal with socialist leanings. What have I said that is conservative? Not that consevatism is inherently racist anyway. I have called for moral consistency against all forms of racism. What a right wing ******* I am!

    Read what I've said, not what you've become accustomed to arguing on here. We might even end up agreeing.
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    Yes, calling for all to stand against all racism is calling for conflict.

    I didn't know I had to be a member of law enforcement to express an opinion on bigotry. I am sure if I searched examples of your history on here you would only have commentted on those rivetting what's your favourite colour topics.
    You wake up on the wrong side of the bed mr. strop?

    You seem like the type to see change, both in character and opinion, as a weakness. Go ahead and search my history, it will be more telling of your own character than mine. I also dont give a rats ass, so waste your time if you really want to...

    Ok... Ill indulge you. Yes it was racist, yes it was bad. Looking forward to hearing the perps being arrested and charged.

    What a riveting and deep thread you have here. We have, for sure, changed the world today. Thank you for helping me to be reminded that racism is bad.

    Time for a takeaway.
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    (Original post by MrControversial)
    > Racism has a way of snowballing

    The same slippery slope argument we're seeing in pro-Islam propaganda.
    When someone is tortured for being white, I think we are already a long way down that slope.
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    (Original post by SonoLuma)
    The way Morgan Freeman does. Stop talking about it.

    Obviously that doesnt mean abandoning the word of law and ignoring large racially motivated crimes like genocide. But "small scale" hate crimes are fertile ground to enrage more people and possibly beget more violence.

    As for the guy who was assaulted, it doesnt matter whether it was a racially motivated crime or not, it was a crime. trying to distinguish racial hate crimes from assault and menace is just hate-mongering in itself.
    If you stop talking about it, it may reduce the impacts that racism may have but how will this fight racism altogether.

    Racism has been going on for a very, very long time. So, how would it be possible to eradicate such a term that has been prevalent for centuries. The form of racism may have changed but how will this ever eradicate such a term.

    As much I would love to eradicate terrorism, any sort of violence and especially racism, this is very difficult to do. Ever since the growth of globalisation and the change of global politics, this has allowed racism to happen more frequently as well as the interconnectedness of many civilisations has meant that everyone will see the same thing in the media. The media is very misleading and we are 'drugged' as an active audience in the sense that we see what the media would like us to see. So, for all you know, you may think that there is a growth of racism or racism is widespread through horrific incidents happening in the name of racism.

    As with these controversial issues, it isn't as simplistic and easy as you may think. Small steps have to be made for it to be reduced but not to eradicate it completely.
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    (Original post by SonoLuma)
    You wake up on the wrong side of the bed mr. strop?

    You seem like the type to see change, both in character and opinion, as a weakness. Go ahead and search my history, it will be more telling of your own character than mine. I also dont give a rats ass, so waste your time if you really want to...

    Ok... Ill indulge you. Yes it was racist, yes it was bad. Looking forward to hearing the perps being arrested and charged.

    What a riveting and deep thread you have here. We have, for sure, changed the world today. Thank you for helping me to be reminded that racism is bad.

    Time for a takeaway.
    Why are you angrily insisting I am angry. Really, I am fine. I'm sat here with a cup of tea, half listening to the radio, expressing an opinion on a matter of consequence, that's all.

    If the topic does not interest you then feel free to do something else with your evening.
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    (Original post by niteninja1)
    There is no such thing as racism
    How did you come to this conclusion?
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    (Original post by Conceited)
    That's genuinely an interesting take on the matter - one I haven't come across.

    I personally reckon the best way to fight racism is to challenge pre-established views and disregard those with opinions that are completely unreasonable/plausible. Preaching to 'em fuels their ego, vexes 'em and as you say enrages 'em.

    I wouldn't go so far as to say that it shouldn't be talked about. I'd encourage that people should be clear on what racism is and not misuse the term. I was listening to Katie Hopkins the other day on LBC and happened to agree with her about how the word 'racist' is thrown around meaninglessly. When everything is racist, nothing is racist.
    Yeah it struck me as interesting too. Especially coming from someone who most likely experienced it first hand.

    yeah, its a semantic minefield. I do believe that racism is learned behaviour (like most) and that we do need to enforce standards of acceptable behaviour, but in this virulent (I prefer virulent to viral, as most "viral" things are truly as abhorrent as its namesake) world we live in, meanings of things can easily be hijacked and used for negative purposes.

    I personally struggle to know if there are even any definitive answers anymore, there are always positives and negatives. Never knowing whether my (or our) actions are helping or just contributing.
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    When someone is tortured for being white, I think we are already a long way down that slope.
    I tend to blame the left screaming on about racism constantly exaggerating and aggravating it even though if left alone it largely diminishes on its own over time.

    They've created this delusion and false reality that there's still huge racism holding people back. It's like believing in the devil at this point. People develop a victimisation complex from it where they believe from the leftist propaganda that they are persecuted by white men which then justifies all sorts.

    The last Islamic terrorist attack in the USA wasn't actually related to Islam. The guy was radicalised by Runnymede who produce propaganda promoting Islam using authoritarian methodology. It's their propaganda that told the already unstable Muslim that the entirety of western society was Islamophobia and against him. He likely had PTSD and some other issues so it's no wonder he snapped and attacked the society he perceived to have victimised him after that. He was screaming out stuff from the Runnymede publications before he was shot dead.

    These far left groups should simply be proscribed (New Labour, Runnymede, BLM, etc). I have no idea why we put up with terror groups like these.
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    And still you carry on making assumptions. I'm not a white conservative, I'm a liberal with socialist leanings. What have I said that is conservative? Not that consevatism is inherently racist anyway. I have called for moral consistency against all forms of racism. What a right wing ******* I am!

    Read what I've said, not what you've become accustomed to arguing on here. We might even end up agreeing.
    But you're bringing up a single example of racism here. And this incident has been massively reported in the american media because the victim is white. If you really made this thread to combat racism of all forms, then you would have pulled up statistics that put the whole picture into perspective, not just one isolated incident.

    http://www.gizmodo.in/news/alt-right...w/56361692.cms

    Here's how conservatives have exploited this incident to attack the entire african american population. Frankly, I dont think neither the left nor the right give a **** about this incident, theyve both used this to push their own political agenda.
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    (Original post by Pikachū)
    How did you come to this conclusion?
    When you acknowledge racism you give it power.
    For instance the n word (spelt like this to avoid TSR sensors) is just a word by going off and screaming about it you are giving people a reaction
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    Why are you angrily insisting I am angry. Really, I am fine. I'm sat here with a cup of tea, half listening to the radio, expressing an opinion on a matter of consequence, that's all.

    If the topic does not interest you then feel free to do something else with your evening.
    Well, not angry per se... just a bit snappy is all. My apologies.

    I personally have to take a detached mindset when it comes to issues like these. For me the issues and morality is clear cut, the only difference I can see is whether I get angry about it or not.

    Arrest em, charge em. Punish them (if guilty.. we know they are, but rule of law and all that.)

    I would say the media at large has a simply massive effect on issues like these as well as many others involving public opinion. If we want to solve alot of problems, we should start there.
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    (Original post by niteninja1)
    When you acknowledge racism you give it power.
    For instance the n word (spelt like this to avoid TSR sensors) is just a word by going off and screaming about it you are giving people a reaction
    "when you acknowledge a murder the murderer gets power"

    Awful viewpoint.
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    (Original post by whorefromvegas)
    But you're bringing up a single example of racism here. And this incident has been massively reported in the american media because the victim is white. If you really made this thread to combat racism of all forms, then you would have pulled up statistics that put the whole picture into perspective, not just one isolated incident.

    http://www.gizmodo.in/news/alt-right...w/56361692.cms

    Here's how conservatives have exploited this incident to attack the entire african american population. Frankly, I dont think neither the left nor the right give a **** about this incident, theyve both used this to push their own political agenda.
    Do you really think if 4 Neo Nazis kidnapped and tortured a black man there would be little or no coverage?

    My point was people have been pushing this narrative whereby white people cannot experience racism. If we don't fight all forms of racism we are not helping reduce the violence, we only fuel it. I never said for one moment white people experience more racism, only that it is equally abhorrent.

    If certain commentators shrug off the kidnap and torture of a man but make front page news of idiot football fans not letting someone on a train, like the BBC yesterday, it doesn't take a genius to see how that might fuel resentment.

    It is entirely consistent to condemn Breitbart conmen and the narative white people can't experience racism.
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    (Original post by SonoLuma)
    Well, not angry per se... just a bit snappy is all. My apologies.

    I personally have to take a detached mindset when it comes to issues like these. For me the issues and morality is clear cut, the only difference I can see is whether I get angry about it or not.

    Arrest em, charge em. Punish them (if guilty.. we know they are, but rule of law and all that.)

    I would say the media at large has a simply massive effect on issues like these as well as many others involving public opinion. If we want to solve alot of problems, we should start there.
    That's OK, we are somewhat accstomed to hearing shrill expressions of others that aren't there because there is so much hate on the Internet.

    I agree regarding these individuals, that's a mater for the police to sort out. The larger picture, where memes of white privilege, repeated by those in power on occassion, only cause further resentment and violence.

    I am not saying white people experience the worst or the most racism, only that there now exists a socially acceptable version of bigotry that hinders progress.

    Moral consistency is key. Either we are all drinking from the same fountain or we aren't.
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    Do you really think if 4 Neo Nazis kidnapped and tortured a black man there would be little or no coverage?

    My point was people have been pushing this narrative whereby white people cannot experience racism. If we don't fight all forms of racism we are not helping reduce the violence, we only fuel it. I never said for one moment white people experience more racism, only that it is equally abhorrent.

    If certain commentators shrug off the kidnap and torture of a man but make front page news of idiot football fans not letting someone on a train, like the BBC yesterday, it doesn't take a genius to see how that might fuel resentment.

    It is entirely consistent to condemn Breitbart conmen and the narative white people can't experience racism.
    You're right. Every race can experience racism. But saying that all types of racism is equally abhorrent is simply not true. Telling a white person "**** white people" is not as serious as when a white person or other non black person calls a black person the n word in reference to slavery.

    Also, let's not forget that non white people experience far more forms of racism in society.

    The incident in America isn't worldwide and neither is the incident of football fans letting someone on a train. It's ironic how you said that commentators shrug off the one off incident on another continent and yet you undermined the racist train incident. "Oh, it's just a bunch of football fans". No, it isn't. These people who are proud of their racist nature and feel that entitlement as a white person. It's vile and disgusting and what's equally abhorrent is that you dismiss this as "someone not being let on a train". No, this is just one incidence that people of colour have to put up with. No, its never as serious but regardless.

    I understand that we're all naturally inclined to be protective of our own races. But if you can't put away that and fight racism together then we will never achieve that goal. I regularly argue with people who make comments like "white people are crazy" or "White boys are going to shoot up the school" and other petty but underlying racist comments that show hatred. But it would be nice if you also cared about the racism that affects everyone instead of being so concerned with one incident because now you're suggesting that white people have to deal with racism to the same extent as others.
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    (Original post by whorefromvegas)
    You're right. Every race can experience racism. But saying that all types of racism is equally abhorrent is simply not true. Telling a white person "**** white people" is not as serious as when a white person or other non black person calls a black person the n word in reference to slavery.

    Also, let's not forget that non white people experience far more forms of racism in society.

    The incident in America isn't worldwide and neither is the incident of football fans letting someone on a train. It's ironic how you said that commentators shrug off the one off incident on another continent and yet you undermined the racist train incident. "Oh, it's just a bunch of football fans". No, it isn't. These people who are proud of their racist nature and feel that entitlement as a white person. It's vile and disgusting and what's equally abhorrent is that you dismiss this as "someone not being let on a train". No, this is just one incidence that people of colour have to put up with. No, its never as serious but regardless.

    I understand that we're all naturally inclined to be protective of our own races. But if you can't put away that and fight racism together then we will never achieve that goal. I regularly argue with people who make comments like "white people are crazy" or "White boys are going to shoot up the school" and other petty but underlying racist comments that show hatred. But it would be nice if you also cared about the racism that affects everyone instead of being so concerned with one incident because now you're suggesting that white people have to deal with racism to the same extent as others.
    The equivelant of "****ing white people" is not the n-word, it's "****ing black people."

    I didn't shrug off the racist incident on the train, I just inferred that it might not be quite as serious as kidnap and torture. As I said, i condmen all forms of racism.

    Both comparisons you made there are false and not simply "regardless".

    I have consistently said on this thread, including my original point, that all forms of racism must be condemned. I'm not sure which part of this has you reading "I don't care about other forms of racism."

    I also already said I never claimed white people experience the same level of racial abuse, I made a moral comparison, nothing more.

    I am happy to continue the discussion if you would kindly take your words out of my mouth first.
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    The equivelant of "****ing white people" is not the n-word, it's "****ing black people."

    I didn't shrug off the racist incident on the train, I just inferred that it might not be quite as serious as kidnap and torture. As I said, i condmen all forms of racism.

    Both comparisons you made there are false and not simply "regardless".

    I have consistently said on this thread, including my original point, that all forms of racism must be condemned. I'm not sure which part of this has you reading "I don't care about other forms of racism."

    I also already said I never claimed white people experience the same level of racial abuse, I made a moral comparison, nothing more.

    I am happy to continue the discussion if you would kindly take your words out of my mouth first.
    That's true, but try and get yourself in the real world instead of this theoretical world. Do people say "****ing black people" or the n word more?

    You implied it was not as serious, fair enough, but you phrased it as simply a "not being let on a train" when the court ruled it as violent racist incident. Say it like it is, dont undermine the incident and throw it under the carpet because it wasnt as serious as the aforementioned incident. That's the problem. Coloured people have become so numb to racism that you're able to shrug it off as "Idiotic football fans" when they're in fact vile, racist and violent men. Say it like it is.

    You're saying all forms of racism must be condemned but you're only really highlighting racism against white people in a one off incident. And the only time you mention a non white incident, you describe it as "someone not being let on a train".
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    (Original post by whorefromvegas)
    That's true, but try and get yourself in the real world instead of this theoretical world. Do people say "****ing black people" or the n word more?

    You implied it was not as serious, fair enough, but you phrased it as simply a "not being let on a train" when the court ruled it as violent racist incident. Say it like it is, dont undermine the incident and throw it under the carpet because it wasnt as serious as the aforementioned incident. That's the problem. Coloured people have become so numb to racism that you're able to shrug it off as "Idiotic football fans" when they're in fact vile, racist and violent men. Say it like it is.

    You're saying all forms of racism must be condemned but you're only really highlighting racism against white people in a one off incident. And the only time you mention a non white incident, you describe it as "someone not being let on a train".
    That is another subject, racism is racism, I leave others with more knowledge on the topic to talk on historical context. I only called for moral consistency.

    The video of the train incident is easy to find. the most violent it gets is a push. I am not dismissing the criminality or moral repugnence of it. I can add lots of swear words to how I'd describe those vile racist men if you like, it doesn't take away from my point. You are accusing me of moral inconsistency, perhaps worse, for not wording my condemnation in a way you see fit. ALL RACISM IS REPUGNENT! The train racists are *****, ****wits, ********s, pricks, **********s and shitbags.

    But a push and cutting off a piece of someone's scalp are not comparable, the BBC also thought so, not making the incident of torture a front page story at all but having the train incident a main link.

    I hate to say it but you are desperately trying to read into my words either an overt racist agenda or a subconscious "White privilege" motivation.

    I repeat, all forms of racism are abhorrent and should be challenged. Even if you believe one form is worse than another, you can surely see that every incident is consequential.
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    (Original post by whorefromvegas)
    That's true, but try and get yourself in the real world instead of this theoretical world. Do people say "****ing black people" or the n word more?

    You implied it was not as serious, fair enough, but you phrased it as simply a "not being let on a train" when the court ruled it as violent racist incident. Say it like it is, dont undermine the incident and throw it under the carpet because it wasnt as serious as the aforementioned incident. That's the problem. Coloured people have become so numb to racism that you're able to shrug it off as "Idiotic football fans" when they're in fact vile, racist and violent men. Say it like it is.

    You're saying all forms of racism must be condemned but you're only really highlighting racism against white people in a one off incident. And the only time you mention a non white incident, you describe it as "someone not being let on a train".
    Apparently pricks and shitbags doesnt' get censored
 
 
 
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