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V1090 – GCSE Resits Bill 2016 (Second Reading) Watch

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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    Well there clearly was dirty tactics involved. I have had conversations with these individuals who thought that this bill was an improvement from the status quo and they just change their vote like that? It's a bit surprising if you ask me.

    Maybe they changed their vote because they agreed that this bill is an improvement from the status quo and they listened to facts instead of PMs from little kids telling them to vote against another Tory bill... That's called party politics as far as I'm aware
    Don't see why anyone else's 'conversations' are any more or less 'dirty' than yours. And who're the 'little kids' exactly?

    Either way, it's not the policy of my party to stop this passing so it's not 'party politics'... However some individuals are clearly going around trying to stop this passing but that's because of their personal views about the bill not their views about your party so please, be mature about it.
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    They certainly weren't intimidated by their own leaders/cabinet were they? Hm...
    Ooh. Hidden divisions in the Tory party?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Don't see why anyone else's 'conversations' are any more or less 'dirty' than yours. And who're the 'little kids' exactly?

    Either way, it's not the policy of my party to stop this passing so it's not 'party politics'... However some individuals are clearly going around trying to stop this passing but that's because of their personal views about the bill not their views about your party so please, be mature about it.
    They weren't dirty conversations at all. The people I have talked to had a choice and they weren't forced into anything, it was fair... I didn't intimidate them with my authority unlike others...

    When did I say it was official policy? Might be informal? You tell me.

    Be mature about it? Ha...

    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    Ooh. Hidden divisions in the Tory party?
    Oh dear no. Certainly more united than your party. We don't intimidate our members.
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    They weren't dirty conversations at all. The people I have talked to had a choice and they weren't forced into anything, it was fair... I didn't intimidate them with my authority unlike others...

    When did I say it was official policy? Might be informal? You tell me.

    Be mature about it? Ha...

    Oh dear no. Certainly more united than your party. We don't intimidate our members.
    No one's been intimidated by anyone though? Indeed if anyone tried to intimidate my MPs to vote in anyway - whether it be you or someone in my party - then we would fall out. And nothing party political has occurred because the response we're seeing isn't related to the parties involved.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    No one's been intimidated by anyone though? Indeed if anyone tried to intimidate my MPs to vote in anyway - whether it be you or someone in my party - then we would fall out. And nothing party political has occurred because the response we're seeing isn't related to the parties involved.
    So people who don't like compulsory resits vote against a bill working it's way towards optional resits? Thus voting to keep the status quo... Doesn't make sense, sounds like there is an influence somewhere?

    Please explain yourself.
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    So people who don't like compulsory resits vote against a bill working it's way towards optional resits? Thus voting to keep the status quo... Doesn't make sense, sounds like there is an influence somewhere?

    Please explain yourself.
    I found it confusing to, but it has nothing to do with 'authority' or 'party politics' or 'dirty tricks'. But seeing as you're being rather obnoxious about it I'm not troubled by it.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I found it confusing to, but it has nothing to do with 'authority' or 'party politics' or 'dirty tricks'. But seeing as you're being rather obnoxious about it I'm not troubled by it.
    You haven't answered my question - which means I am not convinced at all. Hence the reason why I'm suggesting there is party politics involved, nothing obnoxious about it.
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    You haven't answered my question - which means I am not convinced at all. Hence the reason why I'm suggesting there is party politics involved, nothing obnoxious about it.
    Why am I supposed to answer your question? It has nothing to do with me, I said it confused me. All I know is that it is nothing being enforced as a matter of anti-Tory policy and 'intimidation' lol
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    Oh dear no. Certainly more united than your party. We don't intimidate our members.
    Where on Earth have you got that from? :confused:
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Why am I supposed to answer your question? It has nothing to do with me, I said it confused me. All I know is that it is nothing being enforced as a matter of anti-Tory policy and 'intimidation' lol
    You have members saying that the bill doesn't save money (when it clearly does) and that the bill passes the costs onto students (which was amended in the second reading).

    How is it suppose to confuse you when you also said that the bill passes costs onto students? So I'm supposed to suggest you're not involved when people are echoing what you are saying? Lol
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    You have members saying that the bill doesn't save money (when it clearly does) and that the bill passes the costs onto students (which was amended in the second reading).

    How is it suppose to confuse you when you also said that the bill passes costs onto students? So I'm supposed to suggest you're not involved when people are echoing what you are saying? Lol
    The bill does pass costs onto students. And what's weird about anyone making a similar argument to me? What I said was an obvious criticism and I made it publicly.

    I know who in my party feels passionately opposed to this bill, I only feel mildly opposed to it and was actually going to abstain initially.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    The bill does pass costs onto students. And what's weird about anyone making a similar argument to me? What I said was an obvious criticism and I made it publicly.

    I know who in my party feels passionately opposed to this bill, I only feel mildly opposed to it and was actually going to abstain initially.
    But it doesn't... the whole cost issue was amended for the second reading.
    Fair point.

    Well that's a shame...
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    Saracen's Fez could you change my vote to a nay please? cheers
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    You have members saying that the bill doesn't save money (when it clearly does) and that the bill passes the costs onto students (which was amended in the second reading).
    Arguing that people should support this bill due to the money it will save isn't the best argument. You claim this bill saves £7.2m but in the general perspective of the DoE budget, that amount is absolutely miniscule. The real life Government spends on average £85bn on the DoE each year. This saving would be just 0.008% of that figure. This is not mentioning I'm skeptical there would be a saving in the first place, especially as you haven't explained where that figure came from.
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    But it doesn't... the whole cost issue was amended for the second reading.
    Fair point.

    Well that's a shame...
    If the bill only said 'from now on only 1 resit will be compulsory' then that would be the cost issue resolved, no? The bill did not need to make any reference at all to who pays for the exam to be taken. And if the bill had been like that then forget abstaining, I would have voted in favour.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    Arguing that people should support this bill due to the money it will save isn't the best argument. You claim this bill saves £7.2m but in the general perspective of the DoE budget, that amount is absolutely miniscule. The real life Government spends on average £85bn on the DoE each year. This saving would be just 0.008% of that figure. This is not mentioning I'm skeptical there would be a saving in the first place, especially as you haven't explained where that figure came from.
    If you bothered to read my response to Nigel then you would know how I came up with the estimate. £7.2m could build new schools and be reinvested despite how little it is compared to the DoE spending.

    And this bill doesn't just save money but it is working it's way to eventually getting rid of compulsory resits, which is what many want in the house. Which is why I urge people to vote in favour if they think it's an improvement from the status quo.
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    If you puppeteers wanted your drones to vote against this bill, perhaps you should have talked to them a bit sooner…

    It's obvious the countless changes aren't the result of some new magical arguments and you're just wasting our time. Next time please don't be dicks and state your intentions during the debate so we don't need to bother with pointless second readings and votes.
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    Can confirm it's individual members canvassing, I haven't been kicked out of cabinet yet.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    If you puppeteers wanted your drones to vote against this bill, perhaps you should have talked to them a bit sooner…

    It's obvious the countless changes aren't the result of some new magical arguments and you're just wasting our time. Next time please don't be dicks and state your intentions during the debate so we don't need to bother with pointless second readings and votes.
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    If you bothered to read my response to Nigel then you would know how I came up with the estimate. £7.2m could build new schools and be reinvested despite how little it is compared to the DoE spending.

    And this bill doesn't just save money but it is working it's way to eventually getting rid of compulsory resits, which is what many want in the house. Which is why I urge people to vote in favour if they think it's an improvement from the status quo.
    It might build a few schools but that isn't a justification for why people should vote for this. Many people do want to get rid of compulsory resits so what's the point in still keeping a compulsory resit?
 
 
 
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