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    Im shocked he even has 1% popularity let alone 14%!

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    (Original post by jape)
    Conservatives don't support populism. It's right there in the name - they're conservative. They tend to like tradition and slow, gradual reform rather than the slurry of activity you get with populists.

    Also, this at least Corbyn stands for something shtick has got to die. Pol Pot stood for something too. People don't like Pol Pot. Because what he stood for was special trees for smashing babies to death against. Standing for something isn't enough. People see that Corbyn stands for something, they see what he stands for, and they recoil from him.
    Im not really talking about the traditional populism, more like the kind of populism that allowed Trump to win.

    Corbyn does have some populist agendas, he's got a very socialist leftist agenda. He's not just that he stands for something. But i think given the bland alternative in the form of the tories, i think he does have great vision. Yes, he's far from perfect and delusional at times.

    Either way i am leaning towards the right wing labour politics, thats the only branch that has some future.
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    Well shut up, close the door, and call me Darcey - even more evidence the Labour party will be dead once the next election rolls around. What on Earth have you done to yourselves, liberals?

    I for one can't wait for the Tory/UKIP battle of 2020. A win-win all round, in my opinion.
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    Well, I have to have hope for Labour because the prospect of a UK being ruled by Tyranny-by-Majority (which really seems to be the case at the moment) is to depressing to bear. I can leave the country if I need to but it would be too tragic for those who can't.
    Labour is currently ruled by tyranny by majority.

    The craziest, most absurd thing about the whole situation is that it was so utterly predictable. If you go back on youtube and watch the election coverage from 2015 - the morning after Cameron won his majority, there are a series of post-mortems with prominent Labour figures, from Mandelson to Alistair Campbell to Margaret Beckett to John Reid. When asked "where does Labour go now?" They all said exactly the same things: -

    "Labour has to go away and re-think things, and come back with a centre-ground, electable candidate."
    "Have a measured analysis of what went wrong."
    "Don't blame the media, or blame the electorate."
    "Look to the newest generation"

    Yet they went off and did exactly the opposite to what all the people who had won elections with Labour had said, and came back with the worst possible solution and the worst possible candidate with the worst possible direction.

    At 10.20am on Friday 8th May on BBC, John Reid is interviewed by Andrew Neil and gives his analysis of where Labour went wrong. He goes on, months before Corbyn or any of the what happened, to predict exactly would and has happened. The most telling thing is that he says something along the lines of: "We seem to have shifted direction....the public perceived us to be on the wrong side of every major argument....if the party wants to go that way - fine, but what's the point in 'having your party back', if no-one is following it?"

    A number of people, a year and a half ago, the day after Cameron won, predicted pretty accurately what would happen if Labour went further to the left.

    Even more telling - Neil interviews Ken Livingstone, who claims that Labour lost as they did not move far enough to the left in the 2015 GE, and that they did not take a strong enough stand against austerity. Following his rationale, Corbyn should be absolutely killing it now.
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    Sink implies it was high in the first place, amongst the general population. it may have reduced but sink is over-dramatising it.
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    I'm not surprised. People don't like boring, high-and-mighty, damp communist a-holes. He's a relic from an outdated socialist era and doesn't seem to care that everyone outside his edgy Corbyn Club wants him to go away and groan about capitalism in another room where they don't have to see or hear him.
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    Why are people so anti corbyn?
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    (Original post by bex.anne)
    Why are people so anti corbyn?
    He's representative of an utterly failed political philosophy, but his continued appearance gives succor to those few who believe in it.

    It's pretty much proven by reality that Marxism is an utterly failed system, and there exists not one successful model of it in the world. In fact, every country that has tried it is pretty much a smoking ruin or has rejected it utterly. Yet its adherents claim that it's the other systems such as free-market capitalism that are failed.
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    It's just odd that his popularity is so low yet he won leadership twice
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    (Original post by bex.anne)
    Why are people so anti corbyn?
    I'm anti-Corbyn because he wants to tax my tiny income to death, because he wants to run the economy top-down, because he wants to spend the country into bankruptcy, because he is friendly with groups like Hezbollah and the IRA (terrorist organisations). Plus, he's just incompetent. Just really bad at being a senior politician. If you asked me to start working in a mechanic's workshop with no training I'd do about as well as Jeremy Corbyn is doing now.
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    (Original post by bex.anne)
    It's just odd that his popularity is so low yet he won leadership twice
    Because militants do not represent the electorate.
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    (Original post by bex.anne)
    It's just odd that his popularity is so low yet he won leadership twice
    Who would have thought, Labour membership =/= Consensus of general population.
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    (Original post by bex.anne)
    It's just odd that his popularity is so low yet he won leadership twice
    Yes, it's odd that ~100,000 political activists aren't of the same mindset as ~30,000,000 voters...
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Because militants do not represent the electorate.
    (Original post by citibankrec)
    Who would have thought, Labour membership =/= Consensus of general population.
    Fortunately for the Conservatives, Trots don't understand this. Labour moves to the left and loses big. They assume that it's because they didn't move far enough to the left, and become even more popular. This causes them to claim that it's politics, and the system that is broken, rather than their direction - and the natural resort is to clamour for revolution instead.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    The left can't win through democracy anyway; the best we can hope for, is Labour inspiring a revolution.
    If people won't vote for the left, why would they support it in a revolution?
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    In response to the above, I am not pro-corbyn, I just wanted your opinions. I do believe some of his proposed policies are irrational however some of the things he says do make sense. The tories are doing nothing for our economy and with plans to privatise the NHS ect I feel as though a labour government, regardless of who is in leadership is the right way forward in the next G.E. (though corbyn may not be the most appropriate candidate for this)
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    (Original post by bex.anne)
    with plans to privatise the NHS ect
    Do they plan that? Prove it.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Do they plan that? Prove it.
    It's pretty clear that the continuous underfunding of the NHS will lead to this
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    "How long until Labour actually dies?" is the funniest thing I've heard all day. Kudos.
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    (Original post by bex.anne)
    It's pretty clear that the continuous underfunding of the NHS will lead to this
    Don't fall for tabloid and leftist propaganda. As has been said in other threads tonight, the NHS is getting above inflation increases every year.
    If you believe there's a plan, I ask you to prove it. Don't base your thoughts on other people's agendas.
 
 
 
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