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    (Original post by Wōden)
    What are you going to do, surround parliament and barrage it with vegan burgers?
    Have you seen those burgers? I wouldn't want to be hit by one, God knows what's in them.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Have you seen those burgers? I wouldn't want to be hit by one, God knows what's in them.
    Crow's droppings and daddy issues.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Better a weakened Labour that fights for leftist values, than a stronger Labour which is just a Tory party painted red.
    And the prevalence of this attitude is the very reason that the right is so dominant: so much of the left is so hell bent on ideological purity they don't even try to get elected.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    Hm. Sounds like a nutty conspiracy theory to me.

    May I ask why you think the Conservatives would do this?
    It's no secret that the conservatives have a general distaste of the public sector and support privatisation over nationalisation. Leaked memos from Thatcher's government recently showed that she had wanted to privatise the NHS but considered it too politically unpopular a move at the time.

    Then we consider the fact that through PFIs, private firms are becoming a more permanent part of the NHS.

    That's not so much a conspiracy, as general knowledge...
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Don't fall for tabloid and leftist propaganda. nflation increases every year.
    If you believe there's a plan, I ask you to prove it. Don't base your thoughts on other people's agendas.
    Ah yes our well known leftist press...
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    It's no secret that the conservatives have a general distaste of the public sector and support privatisation over nationalisation. Leaked memos from Thatcher's government recently showed that she had wanted to privatise the NHS but considered it too politically unpopular a move at the time.

    Then we consider the fact that through PFIs, private firms are becoming a more permanent part of the NHS.

    That's not so much a conspiracy, as general knowledge...
    Remember who it was that was so obsessed with PFIs? It's an easy way to spend a lot of money but keep it off the books, allows a centre left government that wants to spend more than the country wants to spend to do hide the debt they're creating.

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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Ah yes our well known leftist press...
    The online and TV news media is leftist. Nobody reads physical newspapers, and they're the only parts of the media that are conservative.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Remember who it was that was so obsessed with PFIs? It's an easy way to spend a lot of money but keep it off the books, allows a centre left government that wants to spend more than the country wants to spend to do hide the debt they're creating.

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    This is such a weak argument.
    I have always criticised Blair for PFIs so why cannot I criticise the conservatives for the same thing?
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    The "somewhere in-between" isn't left-wing enough. Labour should be tapping into the wave of anti-establishment feeling, not trying to occupy the middle ground which everyone is sick of.
    socialists are not anti -establishment , they just want to replace existing establishments with their own apparat complete with appartchiks and nomenklatura
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    This is such a weak argument.
    I have always criticised Blair for PFIs so why cannot I criticise the conservatives for the same thing?
    It seems to be difficult to find data on how many contracts and for how much per year there have been (all I can find is via the High Commission in Canberra) but that one source suggests reduced use, while not elimination it's still an improvement.

    I really don't get the rationale beyond keeping the debt off the books. Sure the private sector is better at doing the job, but to then be paying a 200% premium kinda eliminates that benefit

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    The problem isn't just corbyn he is just the face of it the problem is all of the PLP
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    (Original post by jape)
    http://uk.businessinsider.com/these-...isaster-2017-1

    How long until Labour actually dies? Full on ceases to be the second party? I honestly think if Nuttall can pull the Kippers together Labour will cease to exist in any meaningful way after the 2020 election. As long as Labour keeps electing retrograde commies as leaders, anyway.
    Are you after a one party state or something?

    Labour is in for a brutal change. A gorgeous change. Think about it, the turmoil of 2016, there's something stirring up....

    change awaits us, sleep well..
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    (Original post by jape)
    The online and TV news media is leftist. Nobody reads physical newspapers, and they're the only parts of the media that are conservative.
    The most widely read "news" sources in the UK are the Sun and the Mail. And a lot of people still read actual papers, it's just young people that read online only.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    The most widely read "news" sources in the UK are the Sun and the Mail. And a lot of people still read actual papers, it's just young people that read online only.
    However the BBC completely dominate when it comes to the sources of all news, they're consistently just short of a majority, the runners up having but a third of the consumption the BBC does, with news corp and DMG, those evil sources of news that control the elections, each having less than one tenth what the BBC has and combined barely half of ITN or Sky

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    (Original post by Wōden)
    :rofl:

    You need tough and armed working class men to start a proper revolution. You don't have many of them in the Labour party anymore. You have soft, middle class, gender non-conformist, hipsters who have an aversion to guns. What are you going to do, surround parliament and barrage it with vegan burgers? Or maybe you could bore the current government to death with one of Jeremy Corbyn's dull speeches.
    Do you really need tough and armed working class men to start a revolution? Do you not know what age we live in? It's post physical, baby.

    You are right though, Labour is losing ground with the working class. Probably because the old fashioned violence you speak of is being harboured in by the right. And it's so incredibly false that it makes me sick. When there was violence and aggression for the rights of the working man, from the ground up, that had strength. The violence you get in this day and age, hatred, racism, misogyny and celebration of blind ignorance? That is disconcerting.... it does nothing for anyone other than those who are channeling the feelings of discontent for their own means. Corruption, power etc. It reeks of it. It doesn't come from a good place.

    You seem to despise people who love peace and equality, how hilarious, how very trump, how very irate.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    The most widely read "news" sources in the UK are the Sun and the Mail.
    Not strictly true. The BBC News sites are viewed almost four times as often as the Mail's (18.9bn compared to about 4bn) and they're still behind Yahoo, and barely ahead of the Guardian.

    (Original post by SophiaNeuning)
    Are you after a one party state or something?

    Labour is in for a brutal change. A gorgeous change. Think about it, the turmoil of 2016, there's something stirring up....

    change awaits us, sleep well..
    I don't want a one party state. I just don't want one of the parties in my two-party state to be run by Marxist clowns.

    Thankfully, looking at the figures, that won't be the case for long. I shall sleep very soundly indeed.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    However the BBC completely dominate when it comes to the sources of all news, they're consistently just short of a majority, the runners up having but a third of the consumption the BBC does, with news corp and DMG, those evil sources of news that control the elections, each having less than one tenth what the BBC has and combined barely half of ITN or Sky

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    Interesting. Where do you find this info? Cba to look myself.
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    (Original post by jape)
    Not strictly true. The BBC News sites are viewed almost four times as often as the Mail's (18.9bn compared to about 4bn) and they're still behind Yahoo, and barely ahead of the Guardian.



    I don't want a one party state. I just don't want one of the parties in my two-party state to be run by Marxist clowns.

    Thankfully, looking at the figures, that won't be the case for long. I shall sleep very soundly indeed.
    Oh come on, 'marxist clowns', you might do well to realise that your hyperbole is SO on trend with the current political climate atm.

    You're probably right though, it's just so sad to see the possible demise of a political party that did so much for the people of this country. What do you hope for instead?
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    (Original post by SophiaNeuning)
    Oh come on, 'marxist clowns', you might do well to realise that your hyperbole is SO on trend with the current political climate atm.
    Marxist [mahrk-sist]
    noun
    1. an adherent of Karl Marx or his theories.

    Jeremy Corbyn: We all owe something to [Marx] - We can learn a great deal from him
    John McDonnell (to the question of who are his greatest influences): The fundamental Marxist writers of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky, basically.

    It's not hyperbole. It's reality.
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    (Original post by jape)
    Marxist [mahrk-sist]
    noun
    1. an adherent of Karl Marx or his theories.

    Jeremy Corbyn: We all owe something to [Marx] - We can learn a great deal from him
    John McDonnell (to the question of who are his greatest influences): The fundamental Marxist writers of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky, basically.

    It's not hyperbole. It's reality.
    To call the entirety of the labour party, and by your line of thinking, the entirety of its voters, 'marxists' is absolutely hyperbolic. It completely defies any form of subtlety and nuance. Could you imagine, writing up your little essay on the labour party, would you refer to them all as 'marxists'? You would be laughed at. Nevermind your little 'clown' supplement. Now that really defies rationality and intelligence, and instead reduces you to 'COMMIE SCUM!112F!'. If that's how you like to discuss politics, well go ahead, how befitting of 2016. I also like how you didn't respond to my question about what you would like instead of Labour and the Tories.
 
 
 
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