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    Why is N&CA full of libertarians, nationalists, and anti-SJWs?

    Just curious to see if anyone has any theories why this is the case.

    Edit: I deliberately did not use the term "right-wing" and "left-wing"; these terms are useless in today's politics. For example, Trump is pretty left-wing compared to other republicans, and Front National are economically left-wing. Meanwhile, backing Islam - a very traditionalist ideology - isn't exactly left-wing either.


    TSR's demographics


    Rakas21
    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The answer to the OP is that TSR is more reflective of the country than OP's (probably Labour) echo circles. The Libertarianism stems from the middle class demographic while the nationalism and anti-SJW stems from the fact that the userbase is mostly outside of London and heavily male.

    Is that really unrepresentative of the country as a whole outside London? I live outside of Bradford and i can tell you that most white folk have a very negative perception of that religion and its followers and these are people who are exposed to that hellhole rather than out in the sticks. Anecdotal perhaps but backed by polling. Britain aint Islam friendly outside of the circles of power.
    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Basically the city is extremely deprived and the Muslim population has expanded hugely (the next census will find 35%+, it does not feel English and because they all conglomerate the perception is that these people don't fit in, are criminals, groom girls (wait until there's a study in Bradford, it will make Rochdale look tame) and generally are a waste of space. There is also a perception that it is unsafe and that there are basically Muslim zones.

    Basically instead of creating a multi-cultural city or a British city with Muslim Brits, it's become a place which is no longer part of British society and where white folk will likely be replaced. It's already elected George Galloway and is known by most as 'Bradistan'.

    I have a lot of sympathy for Muslim individuals who may well mean well but i detest Bradford and the political complacency that has allowed it to become what it is.

    I've chosen not to mention the number of terrorist suspects its also produced.


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    I don't buy the argument that the internet attracts right-wing types. It does however attract a certain demographic, which is right-wing on the issues most commonly discussed in News and Current Affairs.

    TSR's demographics are largely white, middle class, young tech-savvy introverts, and these people tend to be left-wing on many issues (for example, drug legalisation or internet privacy), while also being right-wing on other issues (e.g. tolerance of Islam, BLM).

    TSR has a lot of edgy teenagers realising that they're allowed to question things. Once you realize popular wisdom or your middle school teacher might have been wrong about one thing ("the Soviets were as bad as the Nazis" for the obvious example) you start thinking that maybe other things you've always heard were wrong too ("Socialism is as bad as Nazism. I am so cool and educated and everyone else is a moron." ).

    People online express views which they wouldn't dare express in person - for example, support of UKIP, Britain First, or even Trump.

    News and Current Affairs was, at one point, slightly more right-wing than other forums for some reason - perhaps after a major terrorist attack - and this attracted more right-wingers and pushed away left-wingers, so that the disparity increased.

    Right-wingers feel safer voicing their opinions online

    Luke7456

    (Original post by Luke7456)
    I don't know what the exact demographics are if we had a poll I'm sure it would throw up a surprise one way or the other. However the left wing tends to have this Stalinist mentality where anyone that disagrees with them is evil.

    They build up arguments which have flaws in their premise and then draw conclusions of these flawed assumptions which unfairly labels the other side.

    For example
    "Feminism is men and women been equal
    If you think men and women should be equal
    If you disagree with feminism then you think women should not be treated equally to men which makes you mysgonistic and sexist"

    This is one of the classic examples and obviously if we simply defined feminism as men and women should be treated equally end it there add nothing subtract nothing then sure you can call me a feminist.

    However often lots of stuff is added such as universities favouring women over men (lots of maths courses specifically say they want more women in maths I don't think if my application was exactly equal to a women's that I'd stand an equal chance of getting a place) or certain boards have to be a thing least 50% women but if they are 70% women no o e thinks that's unfair on the guys.

    So often what feminists argue for is far from equality and when you argue with this they try and call you sexist scum.

    Your called racist for voting Brexit or supporting trump etc.

    What this does is it scares some people into silence however the internet in many ways is much safer then the streets. If I said I supported trump at work I could expect to be ostracised and outcast. However people feel safer saying what they truly think anonymously.

    Hence their will always be more people that are right wing then would admit to it in public. Hence why they may appear over represented online.

    This is getting dangerous now not because of people holding political views they currently do because vast majority of the time it's a respectable view point.

    Rather because once you intimidate people away from the debate and they don't share what they truly think their are less obstacles to more and more people actually really becoming far right.

    This left wing mentality of silencing vilifying and intimidating opposing views is such a gift to the real far right that at times I have seriously entertained the idea hat maybe it was the real far right that created it.

    That is actually a manipulation technique that both ghandi and the Nazis were well aware of. Not trying to equate ghandi with there Nazis obviously ghandi was a good guy and he Nazis weren't but the same techniques can be used by both good and evil.

    Kvothe the Arcane


    (Original post by Kvothe the Arcane)
    The internet gives a voice to people who would otherwise be dismissed in real life.
    (Original post by jneill)
    And eejits

    XiuXiu
    (Original post by XiuXiu)
    Because it's difficult and not really socially accepted to voice extreme right views in public (this is exaggerated by the right who think that the whole world is against them, but it is nonetheless true to an extent). Therefore, the internet is dominated by people who find it difficult to have these sorts of dialogues anywhere but online (as somebody on the other side of extremity, it's the same).


    The internet attracts right-wingers

    TitanicTeutonicPhil
    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    Pretty easy. Right-wingers suffer from inferiority complexes or are narcissists, that is why they like to consider others as inferior and put them down (which is what being right wing boils down to really). Internet forums are a great playground for people who like to put people down, so it's likely to find many right-wing nut-jobs there.
    (Original post by jake4198)
    I find it perplexing that you have the nerve to preach the moral high ground while simultaneously labelling the right with a blanket insult. Those on the right do not suffer from a superiority complex, but are against the new wave of western progressive politics which defies fundamental principles in favour of political correctness and virtue signalling. If all you can do is demean and berate those who align - politically - different from yourself, perhaps you need to get out of your echo chamber and explore the right wing narrative. The left have tried condescension as a political mean for a few years now - evidently, it hasn't seemed to have worked.
    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    I am condemning a bunch of disgusting, mostly uneducated thugs who need to put weaker people down to make themselves feel better. Call it taking the moral high ground if you will...

    Of course they do, it's all they do. Right wing is all about shielding a nation from foreign individuals or influence, both of which are considered as bad. Of course right wingers deny this as it outs them as what they are, xenophobic nationalists, but that doesn't change that it is the truth.

    I assume by political correctness you mean not being racist, xenophobic, homophobic, or any other toxic attitudes of the plebs - I fully agree with you then!

    Those who I demean and berate have well and truly earned it, and still do it every day. You're earning it right now!

    It's working just fine for me, you POS
    (Original post by richpanda)
    What's so hilariously ironic about this thread is that the quoted responses in the OP are exactly the kind of idiotic holier-than-thou responses that make people pissed off with the left and turn to the right.

    Calling all right wingers narcissists? Or idiots? Way to go guys, especially from senior voices on TSR.

    Sakisaka
    (Original post by Sakisaka)
    It's the internet, Right wing people like debating on platforms that have no influence whatsoever lmao.
    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    Are you for real?

    Right wing people are shaping the western world as we watch. Brexit, Trump, Italy, in a couple of months the Netherlands and France.

    It is the left that is pi$$ing in the wind.


    Leftists gave up

    Captain Haddock

    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    I think a lot of left-wingers on here just end up becoming exhausted. Reading this forum I get the impression that the thought-world of the average 18-25yo internet right winger is a very simple one. Things like good/bad, right/wrong, are all very easy things for them. Any attempt at nuance gets you labelled a 'terrorist sympathiser', 'SJW', or whatever. This isn't every right winger, of course. You have users like Rakas and Lib who actually use their brains, but many are just stubbornly ignorant - a by-product of internet culture where memes count as arguments and offending somebody or getting a negative response out of them is considered a victory. It drives people away, for reasons that are obvious.
    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    The thought-world of the average 18-25yo internet left winger is also a very simple one. You don't think leftists use memes, or call people 'racist', 'fascist', or whatever?

    I really don't buy this argument; especially since, until recently, the most prominent right-wingers on here (this subforum) seemed to put the most thought into their posts.
    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    The leftist thought-world may be equally simple, but is typically well-intentioned and defensive. For many right wingers, the debate is 'won' for them when they have adequately 'triggered' somebody.

    Craghyrax

    (Original post by Craghyrax)
    Because this is the only place right wing kids can spout off without being social outcasts, and the rest of us got bored/fed up and moved on
    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Yer.

    It takes a lot of energy to argue with hard-right and so-called alt-right people online, and most of the time your efforts are wasted because they either won't acknowledge your post, or they will dismiss it out of hand as lies. After a short time most people give up. They are a (very) vocal minority who are best ignored.


    StrawbAri
    (Original post by StrawbAri)
    This site is odd.
    Especially the the N&CA and I really should avoid it for sake of my mental health.
    It is stressful posting here because I lean more towards the centre.

    On this particular forum I've noticed people on the 'left' and people on the 'right' are exactly the same type of people. They use the same arguments rehashed to suit their agenda, they push false narratives and purposely miss out facts because it doesn't confirm to their ideals, they will immediately and vehemently call you names and insult your intelligence if you dare question their opinions and they're too blind to actually see this.

    This is the only site where I've been simultaneously called an sjw Islamist AND a racist against Muslims because I dared air opinions that were slightly different.

    The most hilarious part is that both sides will never actually acknowledge that they're both as bad as the other.

    I can think of a couple of people that are actually intelligent and don't take life too seriously on this forum. Some of these people are ready to beef you for years because you disagreed with them on one thing
    @Quantex @Hydeman @WBZ144, rakas and @Foo.mp3 (Depending) for example

    Also you OP ??

    Then you've got the odd troll like that Jew hating guy and chaoskass/len goodman that just make you laugh.

    jape
    It's not difficult to forget that you're in a minority school of thought as a right-winger, and I suppose that compels you to speak up as much as possible when you can. The relative anonymity of TSR makes a great deal of people feel more comfortable doing so than they otherwise might face-to-face.

    astutehirstute
    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    It is the zeitgeist. The spirit of the times.

    In case you have been living in a cave and missed it, the radical right is on the march all over the western world, overthrowing governments, destroying the EU, winning the US Presidential election. That sort of stuff, nothing major admittedly..

    If this website had existed in the France of 1789, or the Russia of 1917, I think there would have been a few revolutionaries on there too. And a few posters living in a bubble also, not willing to accept, not understanding that their world was being overthrown. Apologists for the ancien regime like the lefties on here.

    Right-wingers are more vocal

    thatswrong

    (Original post by thatswrong.)
    The right wing are a very touchy and hypocritical group. They're loud mouth is actually a defence mechanism because they've realised that their ideologies are drowning into irrelevance.

    MrDystopia
    (Original post by MrDystopia)
    I would say the forum still leans left, it's just those on the right are vastly more vocal about their views.

    WBZ144
    (Original post by WBZ144)
    If you look at the daily polls to do with political affairs, most TSR members seem to hold left-leaning beliefs because those make up the majority of poll opinions. But many of them don't seem to want to discuss politics and prefer other sections of the forum, or they will leave a comment here or there but not return to the thread to debate. On the other hand, the right-wing posters seem to be more vocal about their views in general. Perhaps they feel more of a need to persuade others to their beliefs? Perhaps more of them are angry and passionate?
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    Perhaps because the left wing and its accompanying SJWs have been exposed for what they really are?
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    Dunno.

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    Right is Right. Get aboard the train.
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    (Original post by Charzhino)
    Perhaps because the left wing and its accompanying SJWs have been exposed for what they really are?
    Why specifically this subforum then?
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    (Original post by jape)
    Right is Right. Get aboard the train.
    Wait, is this a holocaust joke?
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    Beats me. I always thought it was quite well balanced.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Why specifically this subforum then?
    Because its becoming like the old religion forum. 80-90% of new threads involve Islam in one way or another and we know what TSRians like to bash the most.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Wait, is this a holocaust joke?
    No.
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    (Original post by jape)
    No.
    Lol. Just made me think of gulag memes.
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    What's wrong with being anti-SJW or libertarian? Nationalism (which also isn't exclusive to the right wing - I.e the SNP and Plaid Cymru) is a different issue but people are entitled to their opinion.
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    If you look at the daily polls to do with political affairs, most TSR members seem to hold left-leaning beliefs because those make up the majority of poll opinions. But many of them don't seem to want to discuss politics and prefer other sections of the forum, or they will leave a comment here or there but not return to the thread to debate. On the other hand, the right-wing posters seem to be more vocal about their views in general. Perhaps they feel more of a need to persuade others to their beliefs? Perhaps more of them are angry and passionate?

    I speak as a vocal left-winger.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    If you look at the daily polls to do with political affairs, most TSR members seem to hold left-leaning beliefs because those make up the majority of poll opinions. But many of them don't seem to want to discuss politics and prefer other sections of the forum, or they will leave a comment here or there but not return to the thread to debate. On the other hand, the right-wing posters seem to be more vocal about their views in general. Perhaps they feel more of a need to persuade others to their beliefs? Perhaps more of them are angry and passionate?

    I speak as a vocal left-winger.
    Thank you; sensible theories like this will go into the OP.

    Why aren't left-wing people more passionate?
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    If you look at the daily polls to do with political affairs, most TSR members seem to hold left-leaning beliefs because those make up the majority of poll opinions. But many of them don't seem to want to discuss politics and prefer other sections of the forum, or they will leave a comment here or there but not return to the thread to debate. On the other hand, the right-wing posters seem to be more vocal about their views in general. Perhaps they feel more of a need to persuade others to their beliefs? Perhaps more of them are angry and passionate?

    I speak as a vocal left-winger.
    I think there's a lot of truth to that. It's not difficult to forget that you're in a minority school of thought as a right-winger, and I suppose that compels you to speak up as much as possible when you can. The relative anonymity of TSR makes a great deal of people feel more comfortable doing so than they otherwise might face-to-face.
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    The answer to the OP is that TSR is more reflective of the country than OP's (probably Labour) echo circles. The Libertarianism stems from the middle class demographic while the nationalism and anti-SJW stems from the fact that the userbase is mostly outside of London and heavily male.

    (Original post by Charzhino)
    Because its becoming like the old religion forum. 80-90% of new threads involve Islam in one way or another and we know what TSRians like to bash the most.
    Is that really unrepresentative of the country as a whole outside London? I live outside of Bradford and i can tell you that most white folk have a very negative perception of that religion and its followers and these are people who are exposed to that hellhole rather than out in the sticks. Anecdotal perhaps but backed by polling. Britain aint Islam friendly outside of the circles of power.
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    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    Pretty easy. Right-wingers suffer from inferiority complexes or are narcissists, that is why they like to consider others as inferior and put them down (which is what being right wing boils down to really). Internet forums are a great playground for people who like to put people down, so it's likely to find many right-wing nut-jobs there.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Is that really unrepresentative of the country as a whole outside London? I live outside of Bradford and i can tell you that most white folk have a very negative perception of that religion and its followers and these are people who are exposed to that hellhole rather than out in the sticks. Anecdotal perhaps but backed by polling. Britain aint Islam friendly outside of the circles of power.
    I have heard that to be the case in Bradford especially. Out of interest, what do the white population you describe actually say about the significant Muslim population in Bradford? Why are they so negative towards it?
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