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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    ^ Good old BigPhil

    Its weird seeing you without your red gems
    I didn't even know he was a leftist. He sounded like a nouveau-riche mildly younger Trump :dontknow:.
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    I think a lot of left-wingers on here just end up becoming exhausted. Reading this forum I get the impression that the thought-world of the average 18-25yo internet right winger is a very simple one. Things like good/bad, right/wrong, are all very easy things for them. Any attempt at nuance gets you labelled a 'terrorist sympathiser', 'SJW', or whatever. This isn't every right winger, of course. You have users like Rakas and Lib who actually use their brains, but many are just stubbornly ignorant - a by-product of internet culture where memes count as arguments and offending somebody or getting a negative response out of them is considered a victory. It drives people away, for reasons that are obvious.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Thank you; sensible theories like this will go into the OP.

    Why aren't left-wing people more passionate?
    They are. But insults are thrown all the time, which puts people off.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    ^ Good old BigPhil

    Its weird seeing you without your red gems
    No ****, man. I feel so naked...
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    It's very simple the leftists are pussies


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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    Uhhh, I'm right-wing and the people that pass as "right-wing" on here, I'd not want to associate with unless I was on crack.

    As far as I'm concerned, right-wingers are patriotic, market oriented, skeptical of government intervention, against PC, in favour of strong defence.

    The kind of people on here that identify as right-wing are nationalist lunatics who think someone having a British passport should guarantee him a shitload of privileges and state-sanctioned "rights".
    PRSOM. I agree with all of this but especially the bit in bold. I may be right wing but there's vocal minority of posters who's version of right wing is very different to my own.

    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    The thought-world of the average 18-25yo internet left winger is also a very simple one. You don't think leftists use memes, or call people 'racist', 'fascist', or whatever?

    I really don't buy this argument; especially since, until recently, the most prominent right-wingers on here (this subforum) seemed to put the most thought into their posts.
    Agreed here. There's individuals on both sides of the political spectrum on this forum who aren't much better than trolls. Fair play if they keep the argument respectful & mature. However, plenty use far too much hyperbole, simplistic language & are more than happy to resort to ad hominem attacks with little provocation. I think some of the users on this forum need to learn that it's ok to agree to disagree.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    The thought-world of the average 18-25yo internet left winger is also a very simple one. You don't think leftists use memes, or call people 'racist', 'fascist', or whatever?

    I really don't buy this argument; especially since, until recently, the most prominent right-wingers on here (this subforum) seemed to put the most thought into their posts.
    The leftist thought-world may be equally simple, but is typically well-intentioned and defensive. For many right wingers, the debate is 'won' for them when they have adequately 'triggered' somebody.
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    (Original post by Tempest II)
    I think some of the users on this forum need to learn that it's ok to agree to disagree.
    That doesn't really work when people are dieing. Politics is mater of life or death a lot of the time. When you have disabled people dieing due to funding cuts the government behind that is the enemy if you care about these things and it isn't a matter of agreeing to disagree. Some people are just the enemy.

    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    The leftist thought-world may be equally simple, but is typically well-intentioned and defensive. For many right wingers, the debate is 'won' for them when they have adequately 'triggered' somebody.
    I always feel defensive. Being left wing is like trying to make water run up a hill. It's exhausting. Where as from the outside being right wing just seems like a fun log flume ride down those rapids I'm trying push up against.
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    The internet gives a voice to people who would otherwise be dismissed in real life.
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    (Original post by Kvothe the Arcane)
    The internet gives a voice to people who would otherwise be dismissed in real life.
    And eejits
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    It's full of rich kids. duh.
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    Because those on the left are unable to put forth a proper argument - it's always just a couple of lines full of cliches and buzzwords with lefties.
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    I don't know what the exact demographics are if we had a poll I'm sure it would throw up a surprise one way or the other. However the left wing tends to have this Stalinist mentality where anyone that disagrees with them is evil.

    They build up arguments which have flaws in their premise and then draw conclusions of these flawed assumptions which unfairly labels the other side.

    For example
    "Feminism is men and women been equal
    If you think men and women should be equal
    If you disagree with feminism then you think women should not be treated equally to men which makes you mysgonistic and sexist"

    This is one of the classic examples and obviously if we simply defined feminism as men and women should be treated equally end it there add nothing subtract nothing then sure you can call me a feminist.

    However often lots of stuff is added such as universities favouring women over men (lots of maths courses specifically say they want more women in maths I don't think if my application was exactly equal to a women's that I'd stand an equal chance of getting a place) or certain boards have to be a thing least 50% women but if they are 70% women no o e thinks that's unfair on the guys.

    So often what feminists argue for is far from equality and when you argue with this they try and call you sexist scum.

    Your called racist for voting Brexit or supporting trump etc.

    What this does is it scares some people into silence however the internet in many ways is much safer then the streets. If I said I supported trump at work I could expect to be ostracised and outcast. However people feel safer saying what they truly think anonymously.

    Hence their will always be more people that are right wing then would admit to it in public. Hence why they may appear over represented online.

    This is getting dangerous now not because of people holding political views they currently do because vast majority of the time it's a respectable view point.

    Rather because once you intimidate people away from the debate and they don't share what they truly think their are less obstacles to more and more people actually really becoming far right.

    This left wing mentality of silencing vilifying and intimidating opposing views is such a gift to the real far right that at times I have seriously entertained the idea hat maybe it was the real far right that created it.

    That is actually a manipulation technique that both ghandi and the Nazis were well aware of. Not trying to equate ghandi with there Nazis obviously ghandi was a good guy and he Nazis weren't but the same techniques can be used by both good and evil.
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    (Original post by ChickenMadness)
    It's full of rich kids. duh.
    Ironically the most vehement socialists (even communists) tend to be those from the upper middle class who haven't experience half of what they espouse...
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Lol. Just made me think of gulag memes.
    Gulags are from Soviet Russia, not the Holocaust.
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    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    I am condemning a bunch of disgusting, mostly uneducated thugs who need to put weaker people down to make themselves feel better. Call it taking the moral high ground if you will...
    Absolute nonsense. If we rewind to your initial comment, you proclaimed - without ambiguity - that "right-wingers" suffer from "narcissism" and a "superiority complex" which is by-product of them being affiliated with right-wing political movements. This is a gross over-generalisation and testament to your own intellectual small-mindedness. Mind, if you do have any evidence that right-wingers "feel the need to put weaker people down", then feel free to provide some evidence for it instead of spewing unfounded hyperbole.

    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    Of course they do, it's all they do. Right wing is all about shielding a nation from foreign individuals or influence, both of which are considered as bad. Of course right wingers deny this as it outs them as what they are, xenophobic nationalists, but that doesn't change that it is the truth.
    No, it most certainly is not. To understand the right, you first have to understand the political spectrum, which measures political affiliation by one's social and economic adherence. The right can include anyone from libertarians or social conservatives, all the way to totalitarian fascists or nationalistic dictators. Where does the right-wing narrative proclaim that is wants to "shield [the] nation from foreign individuals"? If by that you mean Muslims, or - in the case of the US - Mexicans, then you are conflating two variables which are mutually exclusive. Donald Trump and the "populist" right in Europe are against globalisation, which they believe has furthered the economic interests of large multinational corporations at the expense of ordinary working people. Whether you like it or not, mass unskilled economic immigration puts immense pressure on housing and social infrastructure, not to mention the social implications when it comes to community cohesion and assimilation. The right isn't against foreign immigration, but it is against mass immigration - especially from the third world.

    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    I assume by political correctness you mean not being racist, xenophobic, homophobic, or any other toxic attitudes of the plebs - I fully agree with you then!
    By political correctness I mean being unable to state the obvious as it might offend a demographic who vote overwhelming for their party. Being "racist, xenophobic, homophobic..." is not a by-product of being against political correctness. If you are racist - you are a bad person. If you are homophobic - you are a bad person. There is a very clear distinction between being against political correctness, and being an outright bigot. To give you an example, according to a study by Channel 4, nearly forty percent of Muslims believe a woman should always obey their husbands and more than fifty percent believe that homosexuality should be illegal. Now, are you going to call out Muslims for being misogynistic and homophobic? I thought not. And therein lies the hypocrisy in the leftist narrative.

    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    Those who I demean and berate have well and truly earned it, and still do it every day. You're earning it right now!
    No one deserves to be demeaned, regardless of how much you disagree with them. If you want to win an argument, you're not going to do so by alienating the people with whom you're debating. If all the left can do is resort to petty name-calling towards people with whom they do not share the same beliefs, then how do you expect to further the progressive cause if you isolate a large percentage of the national demographic? If you can shamelessly "demean and berate" people because of their ideological dispositions, then it isn't the right who're the bad people, it's you.


    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    It's working just fine for me, you POS
    Donald Trump? Brexit? Marine Le Pen? The left are in-denial.
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    I would say the forum still leans left, it's just those on the right are vastly more vocal about their views.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    That doesn't really work when people are dieing. Politics is mater of life or death a lot of the time. When you have disabled people dieing due to funding cuts the government behind that is the enemy if you care about these things and it isn't a matter of agreeing to disagree. Some people are just the enemy.
    People are literally dying in the streets out there in the Tory wilderness.

    I always feel defensive. Being left wing is like trying to make water run up a hill. It's exhausting. Where as from the outside being right wing just seems like a fun log flume ride down those rapids I'm trying push up against.
    I don't like log flumes. They've terrified me since I was little. There's no way you're being held in, why would anyone voluntarily ride one?

    On a side note, if you constantly feel on the defensive that may be an issue with your outlook on political debate rather than the people you're debating with. Nobody's out to be mean to you personally.
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    It is the zeitgeist. The spirit of the times.

    In case you have been living in a cave and missed it, the radical right is on the march all over the western world, overthrowing governments, destroying the EU, winning the US Presidential election. That sort of stuff, nothing major admittedly..

    If this website had existed in the France of 1789, or the Russia of 1917, I think there would have been a few revolutionaries on there too. And a few posters living in a bubble also, not willing to accept, not understanding that their world was being overthrown. Apologists for the ancien regime like the lefties on here.
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    Absolute nonsense. If we rewind to your initial comment, you proclaimed - without ambiguity - that "right-wingers" suffer from "narcissism" and a "superiority complex" which is by-product of them being affiliated with right-wing political movements. This is a gross over-generalisation and testament to your own intellectual small-mindedness. Mind, if you do have any evidence that right-wingers "feel the need to put weaker people down", then feel free to provide some evidence for it instead of spewing unfounded hyperbole.



    No, it most certainly is not. To understand the right, you first have to understand the political spectrum, which measures political affiliation by one's social and economic adherence. The right can include anyone from libertarians or social conservatives, all the way to totalitarian fascists or nationalistic dictators. Where does the right-wing narrative proclaim that is wants to "shield [the] nation from foreign individuals"? If by that you mean Muslims, or - in the case of the US - Mexicans, then you are conflating two variables which are mutually exclusive. Donald Trump and the "populist" right in Europe are against globalisation, which they believe has furthered the economic interests of large multinational corporations at the expense of ordinary working people. Whether you like it or not, mass unskilled economic immigration puts immense pressure on housing and social infrastructure, not to mention the social implications when it comes to community cohesion and assimilation. The right isn't against foreign immigration, but it is against mass immigration - especially from the third world.



    By political correctness I mean being unable to state the obvious as it might offend a demographic who vote overwhelming for their party. Being "racist, xenophobic, homophobic..." is not a by-product of being against political correctness. If you are racist - you are a bad person. If you are homophobic - you are a bad person. There is a very clear distinction between being against political correctness, and being an outright bigot. To give you an example, according to a study by Channel 4, nearly forty percent of Muslims believe a woman should always obey their husbands and more than fifty percent believe that homosexuality should be illegal. Now, are you going to call out Muslims for being misogynistic and homophobic? I thought not. And therein lies the hypocrisy in the leftist narrative.



    No one deserves to be demeaned, regardless of how much you disagree with them. If you want to win an argument, you're not going to do so by alienating the people with whom you're debating. If all the left can do is resort to petty name-calling towards people with whom they do not share the same beliefs, then how do you expect to further the progressive cause if you isolate a large percentage of the national demographic? If you can shamelessly "demean and berate" people because of their ideological dispositions, then it isn't the right who're the bad people, it's you.




    Donald Trump? Brexit? Marine Le Pen? The left are in-denial.


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