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    I don't know what the exact demographics are if we had a poll I'm sure it would throw up a surprise one way or the other. However the left wing tends to have this Stalinist mentality where anyone that disagrees with them is evil.

    They build up arguments which have flaws in their premise and then draw conclusions of these flawed assumptions which unfairly labels the other side.

    For example
    "Feminism is men and women been equal
    If you think men and women should be equal
    If you disagree with feminism then you think women should not be treated equally to men which makes you mysgonistic and sexist"

    This is one of the classic examples and obviously if we simply defined feminism as men and women should be treated equally end it there add nothing subtract nothing then sure you can call me a feminist.

    However often lots of stuff is added such as universities favouring women over men (lots of maths courses specifically say they want more women in maths I don't think if my application was exactly equal to a women's that I'd stand an equal chance of getting a place) or certain boards have to be a thing least 50% women but if they are 70% women no o e thinks that's unfair on the guys.

    So often what feminists argue for is far from equality and when you argue with this they try and call you sexist scum.

    Your called racist for voting Brexit or supporting trump etc.

    What this does is it scares some people into silence however the internet in many ways is much safer then the streets. If I said I supported trump at work I could expect to be ostracised and outcast. However people feel safer saying what they truly think anonymously.

    Hence their will always be more people that are right wing then would admit to it in public. Hence why they may appear over represented online.

    This is getting dangerous now not because of people holding political views they currently do because vast majority of the time it's a respectable view point.

    Rather because once you intimidate people away from the debate and they don't share what they truly think their are less obstacles to more and more people actually really becoming far right.

    This left wing mentality of silencing vilifying and intimidating opposing views is such a gift to the real far right that at times I have seriously entertained the idea hat maybe it was the real far right that created it.

    That is actually a manipulation technique that both ghandi and the Nazis were well aware of. Not trying to equate ghandi with there Nazis obviously ghandi was a good guy and he Nazis weren't but the same techniques can be used by both good and evil.
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    (Original post by ChickenMadness)
    It's full of rich kids. duh.
    Ironically the most vehement socialists (even communists) tend to be those from the upper middle class who haven't experience half of what they espouse...
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Lol. Just made me think of gulag memes.
    Gulags are from Soviet Russia, not the Holocaust.
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    Gulags are from Soviet Russia, not the Holocaust.
    Right, but you can see my train of thought?
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    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    I am condemning a bunch of disgusting, mostly uneducated thugs who need to put weaker people down to make themselves feel better. Call it taking the moral high ground if you will...
    Absolute nonsense. If we rewind to your initial comment, you proclaimed - without ambiguity - that "right-wingers" suffer from "narcissism" and a "superiority complex" which is by-product of them being affiliated with right-wing political movements. This is a gross over-generalisation and testament to your own intellectual small-mindedness. Mind, if you do have any evidence that right-wingers "feel the need to put weaker people down", then feel free to provide some evidence for it instead of spewing unfounded hyperbole.

    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    Of course they do, it's all they do. Right wing is all about shielding a nation from foreign individuals or influence, both of which are considered as bad. Of course right wingers deny this as it outs them as what they are, xenophobic nationalists, but that doesn't change that it is the truth.
    No, it most certainly is not. To understand the right, you first have to understand the political spectrum, which measures political affiliation by one's social and economic adherence. The right can include anyone from libertarians or social conservatives, all the way to totalitarian fascists or nationalistic dictators. Where does the right-wing narrative proclaim that is wants to "shield [the] nation from foreign individuals"? If by that you mean Muslims, or - in the case of the US - Mexicans, then you are conflating two variables which are mutually exclusive. Donald Trump and the "populist" right in Europe are against globalisation, which they believe has furthered the economic interests of large multinational corporations at the expense of ordinary working people. Whether you like it or not, mass unskilled economic immigration puts immense pressure on housing and social infrastructure, not to mention the social implications when it comes to community cohesion and assimilation. The right isn't against foreign immigration, but it is against mass immigration - especially from the third world.

    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    I assume by political correctness you mean not being racist, xenophobic, homophobic, or any other toxic attitudes of the plebs - I fully agree with you then!
    By political correctness I mean being unable to state the obvious as it might offend a demographic who vote overwhelming for their party. Being "racist, xenophobic, homophobic..." is not a by-product of being against political correctness. If you are racist - you are a bad person. If you are homophobic - you are a bad person. There is a very clear distinction between being against political correctness, and being an outright bigot. To give you an example, according to a study by Channel 4, nearly forty percent of Muslims believe a woman should always obey their husbands and more than fifty percent believe that homosexuality should be illegal. Now, are you going to call out Muslims for being misogynistic and homophobic? I thought not. And therein lies the hypocrisy in the leftist narrative.

    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    Those who I demean and berate have well and truly earned it, and still do it every day. You're earning it right now!
    No one deserves to be demeaned, regardless of how much you disagree with them. If you want to win an argument, you're not going to do so by alienating the people with whom you're debating. If all the left can do is resort to petty name-calling towards people with whom they do not share the same beliefs, then how do you expect to further the progressive cause if you isolate a large percentage of the national demographic? If you can shamelessly "demean and berate" people because of their ideological dispositions, then it isn't the right who're the bad people, it's you.


    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    It's working just fine for me, you POS
    Donald Trump? Brexit? Marine Le Pen? The left are in-denial.
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    I would say the forum still leans left, it's just those on the right are vastly more vocal about their views.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    That doesn't really work when people are dieing. Politics is mater of life or death a lot of the time. When you have disabled people dieing due to funding cuts the government behind that is the enemy if you care about these things and it isn't a matter of agreeing to disagree. Some people are just the enemy.
    People are literally dying in the streets out there in the Tory wilderness.

    I always feel defensive. Being left wing is like trying to make water run up a hill. It's exhausting. Where as from the outside being right wing just seems like a fun log flume ride down those rapids I'm trying push up against.
    I don't like log flumes. They've terrified me since I was little. There's no way you're being held in, why would anyone voluntarily ride one?

    On a side note, if you constantly feel on the defensive that may be an issue with your outlook on political debate rather than the people you're debating with. Nobody's out to be mean to you personally.
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    It is the zeitgeist. The spirit of the times.

    In case you have been living in a cave and missed it, the radical right is on the march all over the western world, overthrowing governments, destroying the EU, winning the US Presidential election. That sort of stuff, nothing major admittedly..

    If this website had existed in the France of 1789, or the Russia of 1917, I think there would have been a few revolutionaries on there too. And a few posters living in a bubble also, not willing to accept, not understanding that their world was being overthrown. Apologists for the ancien regime like the lefties on here.
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    Absolute nonsense. If we rewind to your initial comment, you proclaimed - without ambiguity - that "right-wingers" suffer from "narcissism" and a "superiority complex" which is by-product of them being affiliated with right-wing political movements. This is a gross over-generalisation and testament to your own intellectual small-mindedness. Mind, if you do have any evidence that right-wingers "feel the need to put weaker people down", then feel free to provide some evidence for it instead of spewing unfounded hyperbole.



    No, it most certainly is not. To understand the right, you first have to understand the political spectrum, which measures political affiliation by one's social and economic adherence. The right can include anyone from libertarians or social conservatives, all the way to totalitarian fascists or nationalistic dictators. Where does the right-wing narrative proclaim that is wants to "shield [the] nation from foreign individuals"? If by that you mean Muslims, or - in the case of the US - Mexicans, then you are conflating two variables which are mutually exclusive. Donald Trump and the "populist" right in Europe are against globalisation, which they believe has furthered the economic interests of large multinational corporations at the expense of ordinary working people. Whether you like it or not, mass unskilled economic immigration puts immense pressure on housing and social infrastructure, not to mention the social implications when it comes to community cohesion and assimilation. The right isn't against foreign immigration, but it is against mass immigration - especially from the third world.



    By political correctness I mean being unable to state the obvious as it might offend a demographic who vote overwhelming for their party. Being "racist, xenophobic, homophobic..." is not a by-product of being against political correctness. If you are racist - you are a bad person. If you are homophobic - you are a bad person. There is a very clear distinction between being against political correctness, and being an outright bigot. To give you an example, according to a study by Channel 4, nearly forty percent of Muslims believe a woman should always obey their husbands and more than fifty percent believe that homosexuality should be illegal. Now, are you going to call out Muslims for being misogynistic and homophobic? I thought not. And therein lies the hypocrisy in the leftist narrative.



    No one deserves to be demeaned, regardless of how much you disagree with them. If you want to win an argument, you're not going to do so by alienating the people with whom you're debating. If all the left can do is resort to petty name-calling towards people with whom they do not share the same beliefs, then how do you expect to further the progressive cause if you isolate a large percentage of the national demographic? If you can shamelessly "demean and berate" people because of their ideological dispositions, then it isn't the right who're the bad people, it's you.




    Donald Trump? Brexit? Marine Le Pen? The left are in-denial.


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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Is that really unrepresentative of the country as a whole outside London? I live outside of Bradford and i can tell you that most white folk have a very negative perception of that religion and its followers and these are people who are exposed to that hellhole rather than out in the sticks. Anecdotal perhaps but backed by polling. Britain aint Islam friendly outside of the circles of power.
    I can echo that, living next door to Slough. Same demographic, same issues, right down to the grooming gangs and terrorist suspects.

    There is a disconnect between the reality people witness in their day to day lives, and the narrative of half truths, omissions and downright lies shoved down their throats by the political class and the likes of the BBC.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    That doesn't really work when people are dieing. Politics is mater of life or death a lot of the time. When you have disabled people dieing due to funding cuts the government behind that is the enemy if you care about these things and it isn't a matter of agreeing to disagree. Some people are just the enemy. I always feel defensive. Being left wing is like trying to make water run up a hill. It's exhausting. Where as from the outside being right wing just seems like a fun log flume ride down those rapids I'm trying push up against.
    I could say the same thing when British troops were sent to Afghanistan & Iraq with not enough support due to defence cuts - soldiers died or were horribly maimed because there wasn't enough armoured vehicles provided or enough body armour. However, most debates are not about life & death.

    It felt (and still feels at times) that being pro-Brexit meant that I had to adopt a defensive position. Certainly the prevailing view among the younger age group, which I'm not totally sure I can class myself as anymore, was that if you were pro-Brexit you were automatically classed, uneducated, simple, racist, bigoted, xenophobic etc.
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      This site is odd.
      Especially the the N&CA and I really should avoid it for sake of my mental health.
      It is stressful posting here because I lean more towards the centre.

      On this particular forum I've noticed people on the 'left' and people on the 'right' are exactly the same type of people. They use the same arguments rehashed to suit their agenda, they push false narratives and purposely miss out facts because it doesn't confirm to their ideals, they will immediately and vehemently call you names and insult your intelligence if you dare question their opinions and they're too blind to actually see this.

      This is the only site where I've been simultaneously called an sjw Islamist AND a racist against Muslims because I dared air opinions that were slightly different.

      The most hilarious part is that both sides will never actually acknowledge that they're both as bad as the other.

      I can think of a couple of people that are actually intelligent and don't take life too seriously on this forum. Some of these people are ready to beef you for years because you disagreed with them on one thing :lol:
      Quantex Hydeman WBZ144, rakas and Foo.mp3 (Depending) for example

      Also you OP 🤔

      Then you've got the odd troll like that Jew hating guy and chaoskass/len goodman that just make you laugh.
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        (Original post by StrawbAri)
        This is the only site where I've been simultaneously called an sjw Islamist AND a racist against Muslims because I dared air opinions that were slightly different.
        The struggle is real. :moon:
        I got slapped around by both sides on that big thread (called 'should we ban muslims' or something) made after the Paris attacks. :laugh:

        Anyway, thanks for the tag! I'm something of a centrist too - you know what they say about great minds.
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        (Original post by StrawbAri)
        This site is odd.
        Especially the the N&CA and I really should avoid it for sake of my mental health.
        It is stressful posting here because I lean more towards the centre.

        On this particular forum I've noticed people on the 'left' and people on the 'right' are exactly the same type of people. They use the same arguments rehashed to suit their agenda, they push false narratives and purposely miss out facts because it doesn't confirm to their ideals, they will immediately and vehemently call you names and insult your intelligence if you dare question their opinions and they're too blind to actually see this.

        This is the only site where I've been simultaneously called an sjw Islamist AND a racist against Muslims because I dared air opinions that were slightly different.

        The most hilarious part is that both sides will never actually acknowledge that they're both as bad as the other.

        I can think of a couple of people that are actually intelligent and don't take life too seriously on this forum. Some of these people are ready to beef you for years because you disagreed with them on one thing :lol:
        Quantex Hydeman WBZ144, rakas and Foo.mp3 (Depending) for example

        Also you OP 🤔

        Then you've got the odd troll like that Jew hating guy and chaoskass/len goodman that just make you laugh.
        Why thankyou good sir. I'm always happy to debate and defend my opinions. I've been declared as a liberal, a populist, an ultra libertarian, a social conservative and as Ghenkis Kahn before.

        I would also add Nulli and Observatory.

        (Original post by Hydeman)
        The struggle is real. :moon:
        I got slapped around by both sides on that big thread (called 'should we ban muslims' or something) made after the Paris attacks. :laugh:

        Anyway, thanks for the tag! I'm something of a centrist too - you know what they say about great minds.
        I got two cards from that thread for suggesting something that on Jan 20th could become US government policy.

        ....

        With regards to the quiet left and vocal right i'd suggest that although somewhat true (we are winning around the western world) that the pendulum will probably swing back left. When i first came here the talent was mainly on the left in debates and the right wingers banged on about cultural marxism whereas close to the election and Brexit the pendulum swing towards talent on the right (albeit mostly lat least mildly libertarian in flavour). It seems today that we are in one of those rare times when the forum is fairly balanced and few outstanding members either brilliantly debating or being outstanding for the wrong reasons.
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        We are intelligent enough to reject the leftist brainwashing to which we were subject at high school and have reset the clock to zero before ushering in a new era of rightist thought, our dawn, a golden dawn.
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        (Original post by Tempest II)
        It felt (and still feels at times) that being pro-Brexit meant that I had to adopt a defensive position. Certainly the prevailing view among the younger age group, which I'm not totally sure I can class myself as anymore, was that if you were pro-Brexit you were automatically classed, uneducated, simple, racist, bigoted, xenophobic etc.
        Personally I'm pretty indifferent to the whole leaving or remaining in the EU thing. It;s all the politics surrounding it that worries me. There are legit left wing reasons to think the EU is a bit **** but then I don't want right wing populist nationalism to get a real foot hold in Europe. The fact the Front National in France has a chance of winning stresses me out.
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        (Original post by Hydeman)
        The struggle is real. :moon:
        I got slapped around by both sides on that big thread (called 'should we ban muslims' or something) made after the Paris attacks. :laugh:

        Anyway, thanks for the tag! I'm something of a centrist too - you know what they say about great minds.
        Centrists are always on the wrong side of history :lol:

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        (Original post by jape)
        People are literally dying in the streets out there in the Tory wilderness.


        On a side note, if you constantly feel on the defensive that may be an issue with your outlook on political debate rather than the people you're debating with. Nobody's out to be mean to you personally.
        People are literally dieing yes as a consequence of this government imo. Taking this into account people who support this government should atleast be able to understand why left wingers get angry even if they are wrong.

        What I mean about defensive is that the left is basically deing as a strong political and economic force and to hold any real left position is to place oneself on the fringe which means you have to be able to argue against so much that so many consider common sense which then makes you start to doubt yourself.


        (Original post by Luke7456)
        I don't know what the exact demographics are if we had a poll I'm sure it would throw up a surprise one way or the other. However the left wing tends to have this Stalinist mentality where anyone that disagrees with them is evil.
        The Stalinist thing is to keep out (or liquidate ) opponents that threaten your power. Just calling people evil is not Stalinism. It;s free speech.
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          (Original post by Zargabaath)
          Centrists are always on the wrong side of history :lol:

          Had I been around then, I would've been a Radical Republican. :hand:
          I tend towards the centre, but I'm not a centrist by creed, is probably how I should have put it.
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          (Original post by Hydeman)
          Had I been around then, I would've been a Radical Republican. :hand:
          I tend towards the centre, but I'm not a centrist by creed, is probably how I should have put it.
          I know, I was just messing, I think this is more appropriate for the both of us :lol:

         
         
         
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