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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Is that really unrepresentative of the country as a whole outside London? I live outside of Bradford and i can tell you that most white folk have a very negative perception of that religion and its followers and these are people who are exposed to that hellhole rather than out in the sticks. Anecdotal perhaps but backed by polling. Britain aint Islam friendly outside of the circles of power.
    I can echo that, living next door to Slough. Same demographic, same issues, right down to the grooming gangs and terrorist suspects.

    There is a disconnect between the reality people witness in their day to day lives, and the narrative of half truths, omissions and downright lies shoved down their throats by the political class and the likes of the BBC.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    That doesn't really work when people are dieing. Politics is mater of life or death a lot of the time. When you have disabled people dieing due to funding cuts the government behind that is the enemy if you care about these things and it isn't a matter of agreeing to disagree. Some people are just the enemy. I always feel defensive. Being left wing is like trying to make water run up a hill. It's exhausting. Where as from the outside being right wing just seems like a fun log flume ride down those rapids I'm trying push up against.
    I could say the same thing when British troops were sent to Afghanistan & Iraq with not enough support due to defence cuts - soldiers died or were horribly maimed because there wasn't enough armoured vehicles provided or enough body armour. However, most debates are not about life & death.

    It felt (and still feels at times) that being pro-Brexit meant that I had to adopt a defensive position. Certainly the prevailing view among the younger age group, which I'm not totally sure I can class myself as anymore, was that if you were pro-Brexit you were automatically classed, uneducated, simple, racist, bigoted, xenophobic etc.
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    This site is odd.
    Especially the the N&CA and I really should avoid it for sake of my mental health.
    It is stressful posting here because I lean more towards the centre.

    On this particular forum I've noticed people on the 'left' and people on the 'right' are exactly the same type of people. They use the same arguments rehashed to suit their agenda, they push false narratives and purposely miss out facts because it doesn't confirm to their ideals, they will immediately and vehemently call you names and insult your intelligence if you dare question their opinions and they're too blind to actually see this.

    This is the only site where I've been simultaneously called an sjw Islamist AND a racist against Muslims because I dared air opinions that were slightly different.

    The most hilarious part is that both sides will never actually acknowledge that they're both as bad as the other.

    I can think of a couple of people that are actually intelligent and don't take life too seriously on this forum. Some of these people are ready to beef you for years because you disagreed with them on one thing :lol:
    Quantex Hydeman WBZ144, rakas and Foo.mp3 (Depending) for example

    Also you OP 🤔

    Then you've got the odd troll like that Jew hating guy and chaoskass/len goodman that just make you laugh.
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    (Original post by StrawbAri)
    This is the only site where I've been simultaneously called an sjw Islamist AND a racist against Muslims because I dared air opinions that were slightly different.
    The struggle is real. :moon:
    I got slapped around by both sides on that big thread (called 'should we ban muslims' or something) made after the Paris attacks. :laugh:

    Anyway, thanks for the tag! I'm something of a centrist too - you know what they say about great minds.
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    (Original post by StrawbAri)
    This site is odd.
    Especially the the N&CA and I really should avoid it for sake of my mental health.
    It is stressful posting here because I lean more towards the centre.

    On this particular forum I've noticed people on the 'left' and people on the 'right' are exactly the same type of people. They use the same arguments rehashed to suit their agenda, they push false narratives and purposely miss out facts because it doesn't confirm to their ideals, they will immediately and vehemently call you names and insult your intelligence if you dare question their opinions and they're too blind to actually see this.

    This is the only site where I've been simultaneously called an sjw Islamist AND a racist against Muslims because I dared air opinions that were slightly different.

    The most hilarious part is that both sides will never actually acknowledge that they're both as bad as the other.

    I can think of a couple of people that are actually intelligent and don't take life too seriously on this forum. Some of these people are ready to beef you for years because you disagreed with them on one thing :lol:
    Quantex Hydeman WBZ144, rakas and Foo.mp3 (Depending) for example

    Also you OP 🤔

    Then you've got the odd troll like that Jew hating guy and chaoskass/len goodman that just make you laugh.
    Why thankyou good sir. I'm always happy to debate and defend my opinions. I've been declared as a liberal, a populist, an ultra libertarian, a social conservative and as Ghenkis Kahn before.

    I would also add Nulli and Observatory.

    (Original post by Hydeman)
    The struggle is real. :moon:
    I got slapped around by both sides on that big thread (called 'should we ban muslims' or something) made after the Paris attacks. :laugh:

    Anyway, thanks for the tag! I'm something of a centrist too - you know what they say about great minds.
    I got two cards from that thread for suggesting something that on Jan 20th could become US government policy.

    ....

    With regards to the quiet left and vocal right i'd suggest that although somewhat true (we are winning around the western world) that the pendulum will probably swing back left. When i first came here the talent was mainly on the left in debates and the right wingers banged on about cultural marxism whereas close to the election and Brexit the pendulum swing towards talent on the right (albeit mostly lat least mildly libertarian in flavour). It seems today that we are in one of those rare times when the forum is fairly balanced and few outstanding members either brilliantly debating or being outstanding for the wrong reasons.
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    We are intelligent enough to reject the leftist brainwashing to which we were subject at high school and have reset the clock to zero before ushering in a new era of rightist thought, our dawn, a golden dawn.
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    (Original post by Tempest II)
    It felt (and still feels at times) that being pro-Brexit meant that I had to adopt a defensive position. Certainly the prevailing view among the younger age group, which I'm not totally sure I can class myself as anymore, was that if you were pro-Brexit you were automatically classed, uneducated, simple, racist, bigoted, xenophobic etc.
    Personally I'm pretty indifferent to the whole leaving or remaining in the EU thing. It;s all the politics surrounding it that worries me. There are legit left wing reasons to think the EU is a bit **** but then I don't want right wing populist nationalism to get a real foot hold in Europe. The fact the Front National in France has a chance of winning stresses me out.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    The struggle is real. :moon:
    I got slapped around by both sides on that big thread (called 'should we ban muslims' or something) made after the Paris attacks. :laugh:

    Anyway, thanks for the tag! I'm something of a centrist too - you know what they say about great minds.
    Centrists are always on the wrong side of history :lol:

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    (Original post by jape)
    People are literally dying in the streets out there in the Tory wilderness.


    On a side note, if you constantly feel on the defensive that may be an issue with your outlook on political debate rather than the people you're debating with. Nobody's out to be mean to you personally.
    People are literally dieing yes as a consequence of this government imo. Taking this into account people who support this government should atleast be able to understand why left wingers get angry even if they are wrong.

    What I mean about defensive is that the left is basically deing as a strong political and economic force and to hold any real left position is to place oneself on the fringe which means you have to be able to argue against so much that so many consider common sense which then makes you start to doubt yourself.


    (Original post by Luke7456)
    I don't know what the exact demographics are if we had a poll I'm sure it would throw up a surprise one way or the other. However the left wing tends to have this Stalinist mentality where anyone that disagrees with them is evil.
    The Stalinist thing is to keep out (or liquidate ) opponents that threaten your power. Just calling people evil is not Stalinism. It;s free speech.
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    (Original post by Zargabaath)
    Centrists are always on the wrong side of history :lol:

    Had I been around then, I would've been a Radical Republican. :hand:
    I tend towards the centre, but I'm not a centrist by creed, is probably how I should have put it.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Had I been around then, I would've been a Radical Republican. :hand:
    I tend towards the centre, but I'm not a centrist by creed, is probably how I should have put it.
    I know, I was just messing, I think this is more appropriate for the both of us :lol:

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    The right wing are a very touchy and hypocritical group. They're loud mouth is actually a defence mechanism because they've realised that their ideologies are drowning into irrelevance.
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    (Original post by Zargabaath)
    I know, I was just messing, I think this is more appropriate for the both of us :lol:

    Isn't like basically what most people are? It's incredibly common. Pro capitalism and people can marry whoever they want.
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    (Original post by l'etranger)
    We are intelligent enough to reject the leftist brainwashing to which we were subject at high school and have reset the clock to zero before ushering in a new era of rightist thought, our dawn, a golden dawn.
    If you want rightist brainwashing you can get it right here:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Isn't like basically what most people are? It's incredibly common. Pro capitalism and people can marry whoever they want.
    that's what it's poking fun at, people think they're special for not totally aligning with one side of the spectrum when really it's very common
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    (Original post by stoyfan)
    If you want rightist brainwashing you can get it right here:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
    The DM is leftist, the fact that anyone considers those half-assed amateurs right shows just how far left we've gone.
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    (Original post by Zargabaath)
    I know, I was just messing, I think this is more appropriate for the both of us :lol:
    I wouldn't even call it conservatism/liberalism per se - I just like policies that make sense. So, even though I might be described as a fiscal conservative (loathe as I am to being called any kind of conservative), I think the people who go by that name in, say, America are quite mistaken. They believe the way to deal with a 2007/08-style recession is to cut spending to the bone because they don't think there's any great difference between government and household spending. :facepalm:
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    (Original post by jape)
    Right is Right. Get aboard the train.
    Right is wrong and wrong is right
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    (Original post by l'etranger)
    The DM is leftist, the fact that anyone considers those half-assed amateurs right shows just how far left we've gone.
    What...... I am quite sure that DM is rightist. They support the Conservatives and they make loads of immigrant and muslim scare stories. Sure they may have made one or two critisisms about right wing canditates and political groups but they are predominantly right.

    Remember the Red Ed articles?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...FREY-LEVY.html
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    (Original post by stoyfan)
    What...... I am quite sure that DM is rightist. They support the Conservatives and they make loads of immigrant and muslim scare stories. Sure they may have made one or two critisisms about right wing canditates and political groups but they are predominantly right.

    Remember the Red Ed articles?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...FREY-LEVY.html
    The Conservative party is so left-wing it's unreal.
 
 
 
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