The danger of ISIS creating its own airforce?

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Not being horrible but I do feel like you are scaremongering.

It would be scaremongering if OP had the first clue what he was going on about.

Read their other threads, there's not one topic that OP ever talks about that he actually knows anything about. It's a rare talent to be so appallingly wrong about so many things so often.

Reply 21

username47781

Original post by Drewski

I should have said trying to scare

Reply 22

PTMalewski

It doesn't matter how many aircraft they have.
They won't be able to train pilots or maintain fighter jets.

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Reply 23

Oooshiebaby

We have the RAF, we have radar.
They could try and fly fighter jets into Britain, in fact I dare them to try, then we could It would simply make it easier to kill them without harming innocent civilians.

Reply 24

Ambitious1999

Original post by Drewski

Here's the supporting evidence:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y-V2iMR1CKo

It's not only aircraft they have captured from Syrian airbases, including some state of the art Russian aircraft, its modern fighter aircraft that IS might have been given by Turkey when they were supplying weapons to IS a few years ago. Not to mention the weapons and support they are presently giving to Al Nusra in North Syria to fight the Kurds.

Daesh is surprisingly advanced they have also developed their own health service ISHS.

Reply 25

PTMalewski

Original post by Ambitious1999

When Pakistan was creating their air force after WWII, they had to import RAF pilots to train own ones, as piloting an aircrafth is difficult itself, but fighting in them is far worse. And WWII were far simplier to fly than quite modern jet combat planes.
It takes lots of knowledge about their systems, flight characteristics, weapons usage and fighting technique. After that, there goes years of training.
ISIS may attempt to do something with those as those, but they have the best chance to crash all of them in accidents.

Even if they somehow learn to fly, a skilled Russian pilot in the most obsolete of the Russian fighters would knock them down with ease, and the western jets will shot them down before the islamists will actually realise that someone is attacking them.

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Reply 26

Drewski

Original post by Ambitious1999

Here's the supporting evidence.

It's not evidence, it's a half arsed news report.

There will not be an IS air force. The capability you laughingly alluded to in your first post takes decades to cultivate.

What they have can be entirely destroyed in an afternoon.

Reply 27

Ambitious1999

Original post by PTMalewski

There's a lot of people from Czechen Republic who have joined IS many of whom will have served their time in the Soviet Airforce. In fact the original president of Czechen who illegally declared independence from Russia was a former Soviet bomber pilot Dzohar Dudayev turned jihadist.

That's not to mention the many Turks who have fled to Syria to join IS many of whom could be qualified fighter jet pilots.

Reply 28

Jammy Duel

Original post by Ambitious1999

Well our moronic government selling HMS Illustrious to Turkey of all places to be scrapped doesn't help. Not only is it an insult to our fine RN ships but what if IS gets hold of it? Erdogan can't be trusted he could sell it to IS. And god forbid how many nuclear submarines we've given to Turkey for scrap that could end up in IS ownership.
An aircraft might be hard to fly but a ship is a lot easier to sail and no doubt IS has plenty of engineers in its ranks who could maintain the ship.

Yes, because ISIS certainly have the capabilities, and ports, to maintain a gutted aircraft carrier, and definitely have access to the equipment needed to stop is being sunk in about 5 minutes flat, from the air, surface, or underwater.

Reply 29

PTMalewski

Original post by Ambitious1999

This still doesn't mean they'll be able to train new pilots or maintain jets for longer time. They may send already trained pilots, if they have any, for some local action, but Assad's army has weapons to deal with aerial attacks, and they won't be a threat nor for Russians, nor Americans. The worst thing that may happen is that Russia will send a few slightly newer fighters to Syria "just in case", cause Russians don't waste new planes for fighting a bunch of backward barbarians.

Even if they have well trained Turkish pilots, those guys don't know the old Russian planes. They will have hard time learning how to fly them, not to mention effective combat.

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Reply 30

Ambitious1999

Original post by Drewski

And what about an IS Navy? Britain has moronically been giving decommissioned Aircraft carriers, destroyers frigates, submarines etc to Turkey for scrap. These vessels are being stripped down by ship breakers who could be copying systems as they dismantle the vessels. And god forbid the submarine reactors! We really don't know what sort of people are dismantling these vessels.

Then what if IS gets hold of a decommissioned vessel? The Syrian coast where Daesh is heading, isn't far from Turkey. Erdogan has been giving weapons to IS for years to use against the Kurds and against Assad. Erdogan is presently arming Al Nusra in its war against the Kurds. What if he gives Daesh one of our old ships? He could try and reunite Al Nusra and Daesh and reward them for attacking the Kurds.

If not Daesh could be infiltrating these Turkish ship breaking yards and could just help themselves to some ships or submarines.

It's about as daft had the US given its ex-navy ships and submarines as scrap to Cuba during the Cold War in the 1970s which they were sensible enough not to do.

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Reply 31

Ambitious1999

Original post by Jammy Duel

If they got hold of a submarine they'd have the ultimate stealth weapon. Daesh Aircraft can be shot down, their ships sunk. But a submarine once underwater is untraceable. These ship breakers in Turkey copying their systems, learning how they work information that could be used to train Daesh submarine crews.

I mean you guys would never have sent your ex navy vessels to Cuba in the 1970s to be scrapped.

I've read a lot of Clive Cussler books.

Reply 32

the bear

what if Daesh build a space rocket and invade the Moon ?

Reply 33

stoyfan

Original post by Ambitious1999

There is your problem. All you are doing is making a whole load of what if scenarios and you are not considering whether the scenario is even feasable.

What if they get a ship? Well first they need fuel, weapons (like missiles etc), and expertise (like a capitain etc).

Lets be honest, can they get all of those things? No probably not.

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Reply 34

Jammy Duel

Original post by the bear

what if Daesh build a space rocket and invade the Moon ?

Or build a global network of massive cobalt bomb and threaten to use it if but a single person doesn't subjugate themselves.

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Reply 35

Drewski

Original post by Ambitious1999

And what about an IS Navy? .

It's about as stupid an idea as giving you a computer, tbh.

Nobody's saying you don't have the right to talk total bolleaux. But you don't have the right to make people listen to it or take you seriously. Luckily for us, you make it extraordinarily easy not to take you seriously.

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Reply 36

Ambitious1999

Original post by the bear

what if Daesh build a space rocket and invade the Moon ?

That's a bit far fetched. Where would they get rocket fuel from? And where would they hide a rocket?

If you've seen 'You Only Live Twice' you'll appreciate how difficult it is for a rogue organisation to hide a functional space rocket, and that in the movie was a small rocket only meant to go into orbit and catch Soviet and US geostationary vessels and kidnap their crew.

Blofeld had to hollow out a massive Volcano in Japan for a relatively small rocket.

To go to the moon you'd need something the size of a Saturn V launch vehicle and they are Massive! And a volcano about 5 times the size of the one in 'You Only Live Twice' to hide and launch the vehicle.

I very much doubt Deash has the funds or means to hide and fuel something the size of a Saturn V rocket. Neither do I think they could hollow out a Japanese volcano big enough for a Saturn V undetected.