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    The UK would probably shoot those planes down
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    And what about an IS Navy? Britain has moronically been giving decommissioned Aircraft carriers, destroyers frigates, submarines etc to Turkey for scrap. These vessels are being stripped down by ship breakers who could be copying systems as they dismantle the vessels. And god forbid the submarine reactors! We really don't know what sort of people are dismantling these vessels.

    Then what if IS gets hold of a decommissioned vessel? The Syrian coast where Daesh is heading, isn't far from Turkey. Erdogan has been giving weapons to IS for years to use against the Kurds and against Assad. Erdogan is presently arming Al Nusra in its war against the Kurds. What if he gives Daesh one of our old ships? He could try and reunite Al Nusra and Daesh and reward them for attacking the Kurds.

    If not Daesh could be infiltrating these Turkish ship breaking yards and could just help themselves to some ships or submarines.

    It's about as daft had the US given its ex-navy ships and submarines as scrap to Cuba during the Cold War in the 1970s which they were sensible enough not to do.
    There'd be a bigger naval threat posed by a few pissheads renting out a canal boat for the weekend.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    That's a bit far fetched. Where would they get rocket fuel from? And where would they hide a rocket?

    If you've seen 'You Only Live Twice' you'll appreciate how difficult it is for a rogue organisation to hide a functional space rocket, and that in the movie was a small rocket only meant to go into orbit and catch Soviet and US geostationary vessels and kidnap their crew.

    Blofeld had to hollow out a massive Volcano in Japan for a relatively small rocket.

    To go to the moon you'd need something the size of a Saturn V launch vehicle and they are Massive! And a volcano about 5 times the size of the one in 'You Only Live Twice' to hide and launch the vehicle.

    I very much doubt Deash has the funds or means to hide and fuel something the size of a Saturn V rocket. Neither do I think they could hollow out a Japanese volcano big enough for a Saturn V undetected.
    A bit far-fetched you say? :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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    (Original post by stoyfan)
    " Is enough being done? Why are we not destroying all IS aircraft in IS territory?"

    How the hell is anyone supposed to answer that? You and I don't work for the millitary so we don't know what kind of targets the western airforces are hitting.
    I actually do work in the Air Force & even I don't know what targets we're going for specifically :lol: other than the strongholds reported by the media. Only those with a certain type of security clearance are allowed to know of that type of stuff
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    (Original post by Revie)
    I actually do work in the Air Force & even I don't know what targets we're going for specifically :lol: other than the strongholds reported by the media. Only those with a certain type of security clearance are allowed to know of that type of stuff
    Clearance and right role.

    So, pilots, sqn and station exec, IntO, IntAns, imagery unit at Wyton, chain of command, relevant commands, MoD... But only those relating to the units in action, so all Typhoon units that could rotate through, all Tornado units that could rotate through, those in 39sqn...

    It'll be a reasonably large number, actually.

    But yes, random Jeff who's an SAC squipper, or equivalent, probably not.


    That's all open source before anyone gets touchy.
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    (Original post by stoyfan)
    There is your problem. All you are doing is making a whole load of what if scenarios and you are not considering whether the scenario is even feasable.

    What if they get a ship? Well first they need fuel, weapons (like missiles etc), and expertise (like a capitain etc).

    Lets be honest, can they get all of those things? No probably not.
    Fuel oil is easy to get. Deash occupies a lot of oil fields and refineries in Iraq and Syria.

    Expertise like Captains. A lot of captains and crew engineers etc have been kidnaped by Somali pirates ok they're Captains and crew of container ships, tankers etc but they can be used to sail military vessels, Deash could trade them from the pirates and Al Shabab.
    And of course they don't even need to go that far, how many civilian sailers have joined Daesh?

    A lot of the weapons might have been left on board the decommissioned navy ships, these are big weapons built into vessel like the guns on a destroyer. Torpedoes in a submarine etc. they might have been disarmed but Daesh have experts who could re-arm them.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    A lot of the weapons might have been left on board the decommissioned navy ships
    I'm not sure you know what the word decommissioned actually means.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    A bit far-fetched you say? :laugh::laugh::laugh:
    Exactly. A Saturn V rocket is 110.6 m tall and 10.1 m diameter. That's what was needed just to send 3 astronauts to the moon. I can't see Daesh having the funds or ability to build something of that size.
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    To summarise:

    The danger of IS creating an air force is exactly the same danger of you making sense:
    Zero.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    There is no doubt that IS has captured many fighter jets and war planes in Syria and Iraq. The fear is they could train members to fly these jets and use jihadist pilots who've joined IS.

    There is evidence of a possible IS airforce as seen in this picture of an IS fighter jet pilot.

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...strikes-raqqa/

    What if IS starts flying sorties over Europe and even committing WW2 style air raids over Britain like Hitler did?

    Is enough being done? Why are we not destroying all IS aircraft in IS territory?

    Any ISIS plane would be quickly traced and shot down. they dont have experienced crews, flight crew or equipment. You are always bigging ISIS up asking us to surrender and negotiate peace, when all they wnat is to cause as much destruction as possible. You are just as ridiculous in2017 as you were last year. I dont know how you get away with posting such drivel.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    You are just trolling or an idiot or both.

    Any ISIS plane would be quickly traced and shot down. they dont have experienced crews, flight crew or equipment. You are always bigging ISIS up asking us to surrender and negotiate peace, when all they wnat is to cause as much destruction as possible. You are just as ridiculous in2017 as you were last year. I dont know how you get away with posting such drivel.
    This is why we need to unite with Putin and Assad to stop these things happening and to stop giving our majestic decommissioned Naval vessels to to Turkey to be scrapped. Its grotesque that the great HMS Ark Royal was scrapped in Turkey and not kept as a museum ship in Britain alongside HMS Belfast.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    This is why we need to unite with Putin and Assad to stop these things happening and to stop giving our majestic decommissioned Naval vessels to to Turkey to be scrapped. Its grotesque that the great HMS Ark Royal was scrapped in Turkey and not kept as a museum ship in Britain alongside HMS Belfast.
    No viable bids came forward so they sold it for scrap.

    We dont need to unite with Putin or Assa, nor will we. If you are that keen then go and offer your services.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    This is why we need to unite with Putin and Assad to stop these things happening and to stop giving our majestic decommissioned Naval vessels to to Turkey to be scrapped. Its grotesque that the great HMS Ark Royal was scrapped in Turkey and not kept as a museum ship in Britain alongside HMS Belfast.
    There was nothing majestic about Ark Royal. By the time it got sold to Turkey it was a delapidated, rusting, hulk of scrap metal.

    If IS want it, they're welcome to it. It'll take ~1000 people to operate, is 40 years out of date and would prove the easiest target the RN has had in years.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    There was nothing majestic about Ark Royal. By the time it got sold to Turkey it was a delapidated, rusting, hulk of scrap metal.

    If IS want it, they're welcome to it. It'll take ~1000 people to operate, is 40 years out of date and would prove the easiest target the RN has had in years.
    We preserved HMS Belfast and put in the Thames as a museum. We should have preserved HMS Ark Royal as a museum and moored it down stream where the river is wider. We could even have made some of it into a hotel!

    We've always had an Ark Royal in since the 1600s.

    As for HMS Illustrious we could have turned it into apartments on the Thames, astro-turfed the runway etc. Would have earned millions.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    No viable bids came forward so they sold it for scrap.

    We dont need to unite with Putin or Assa, nor will we. If you are that keen then go and offer your services.
    We could send him to Raqqa as chief negotiator. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)

    We've always had an Ark Royal in since the 1600s.
    On the contrary no ship bore that name between 1638 and 1914

    By 1914 the Royal Navy was so big that they were running out of names with any sort of heritage, hence a name was resurrected for an unimportant type of ship that hadn't been used for 300 years.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    Pfft!!!

    What if they send a suicide rocket into the sun and destroy the Solar System?
    What if they build a huge space station and use it to destroy a whole planet?
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    We have a ship that could deal with every fighter jet in South America alone, I don't think we have to worry about Isis being able to attack us from the air because they have managed to get a few planes
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    We preserved HMS Belfast and put in the Thames as a museum. We should have preserved HMS Ark Royal as a museum and moored it down stream where the river is wider. We could even have made some of it into a hotel!

    We've always had an Ark Royal in since the 1600s.

    As for HMS Illustrious we could have turned it into apartments on the Thames, astro-turfed the runway etc. Would have earned millions.
    If you can't talk sense; don't talk.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    We have a ship that could deal with every fighter jet in South America alone, I don't think we have to worry about Isis being able to attack us from the air because they have managed to get a few planes
    Mate that reply is way too serious for this fruitcake's thread.
 
 
 
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